California ban on gas engines <25hp

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Emissions is the term used to describe the gases and particles which are put into the air or emitted by various sources.
 

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We're living in a strange age when people driving dinosaur-devouring recreational vehicles, argue in favor of banning a weed whacker. Strange times, indeed.
 

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Wow--they really are stretching the truth there.

My lawn mower uses less than .25 gallons of gas in 1 hour. A car that drives 300 miles on < 0.25 gallons of gas does not exist--and frankly never will.

Even Electric cars use more fossil fuel to drive 300 miles than my lawn mower does in 1 hour----where do you think electricity comes from? Most of it is fossil fuels.

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Unless California has built lots of power plants since 2018, I think the above graph is close enough to accurate. (source: 2018 Total System Electric Generation)

Update -- Found the 2020 Guide here: 2020 Total System Electric Generation
Yeah, my grandson told me once that a cow fart does as much damage to the environment as driving from NY to LA. Learned that in school. Set him straight and told him his teacher could call me if she wants.
Haven't heard back.
 

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We're living in a strange age when people driving dinosaur-devouring recreational vehicles, argue in favor of banning a weed whacker. Strange times, indeed.
I agree. Cannot see how anyone that owns a motorhome would think this makes sense.

It is like the guy that invented the internet, who now flies a private jet to raise awareness on pollution. It's all about money...look deep enough and you will find he is heavily invested in failed solar and related energy sources.

Solar makes sense for an RV that is willing to do without most heavy power consumption. Doesn't work at all for one that likes to run all 3 air conditioners during the day, and the floor heat at night while baking a pot roast in the convection oven. For that...we need lots of electricity.
 

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Now that we have all had our panic...let's examine what this law doesn't do;

1. It does not take away your existing small engine
2. It does not prevent use of these items even in the future
3. It does not affect sales in states other than California
4. It does not prevent repair of older units.


There really is no need for panic. Those that want gas engines <25hp will buy them in Nevada, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, or any of the other 47 lower states.

Smuggling engines in will be very simple.

Smuggling cherries from Oregon into California is not simple.
 

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It’s aimed at reducing weed eaters and lawnmowers. Good riddance to both. Stinky noisy things. Happy to see them go.
Yeah, then the grass and weeds can take over and hide all those cars and trucks we can't drive anymore. Wait, Waaaa?
 

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I like what you're saying Redbaron. I don't worry about CA. because I will never go there. But, being in the Automotive trade for most of my life, the Feds always seem to follow suit where CARB is concerned. It will take awhile but that is their end game. It seems to me that California just uses fire as a brush cutter
 

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Kids...up and down the state. Can't leave 'em so complaining is all I have left 😊
Well, at least you can complain from one of the loveliest areas in our country. 😊 Judy
 

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Wow. Talk about over reaching. California wild fires over the past couple of years have sent smoke not only over much of California but to numerous other States, and now they want to worry about a few weed wackers? OMG.
 

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Pardon me, can anyone tell me what groupthink means?
 

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The ultimate goal: You. Peon. You live in tent, ride horse. Only govt can drive car, MH, fly plane, etc.
Hold on a minute.. flatulence occurs in horses like cows therefor, no horses. Walk so they can “tax your feet”
 

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Now that we have all had our panic...let's examine what this law doesn't do;

1. It does not take away your existing small engine
2. It does not prevent use of these items even in the future
3. It does not affect sales in states other than California
4. It does not prevent repair of older units.
It's just a step @redbaron, just a step. . .
 

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View attachment 9307

Wow--they really are stretching the truth there.

My lawn mower uses less than .25 gallons of gas in 1 hour. A car that drives 300 miles on < 0.25 gallons of gas does not exist--and frankly never will.

Even Electric cars use more fossil fuel to drive 300 miles than my lawn mower does in 1 hour----where do you think electricity comes from? Most of it is fossil fuels.

View attachment 9308

Unless California has built lots of power plants since 2018, I think the above graph is close enough to accurate. (source: 2018 Total System Electric Generation)

Update -- Found the 2020 Guide here: 2020 Total System Electric Generation
You can stretch/read statistics any way you wish and fit them into your agenda. It does not change the fact that mankind is having serious adverse effects on our planet.

As I have stated over and over on this forum, why can’t we use it as it is named “rvforums.com” and stick to enjoying rv related conversations.
 

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As I have stated over and over on this forum, why can’t we use it as it is named “rvforums.com” and stick to enjoying rv related conversations.
This is about rving. Generators are used by most rvs.

weed eaters lawn mowers and blowers are used by rv parks.

Agendas hurting the lifestyle of the RV community are very relevant on this site.
 

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I wonder when the Oasis and other hydronic heaters will come under attack.
 
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It does not change the fact that mankind is having serious adverse effects on our planet.
You assume that to be fact. Science can be refuted like most science by other science. I believe this belief in man made climate change to be nothing more than politics. I believe politicians figured out people no longer follow kings and queens so they devised a scheme (environmentalism) to put themselves in power over us where we would surrender our will and keep them in power "for the children". I believe its obvious. You assume that over billions of years, man has changed anything in its short history? I believe that if you add up all the noxious fumes man has created in its entire existence, it wouldn't even equal the amount of noxious fumes that came from the Mt St Helens volcano eruption in 1980. I believe that judging millions of years of a climate with only several hundred years of records lends itself to junk science and is laughable. Your FACT is nothing more than an opinion... I do have the burden of conscious of my beliefs. If I did believe the opinion that I was in fact, the cause of all the worlds problems, I would have to stop myself from adding to it before I worry about everyone else's lifestyle and weed eater choices. now, back to RVing. I use 87 octane to save money
 

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Now that we have all had our panic...let's examine what this law doesn't do;

1. It does not take away your existing small engine
2. It does not prevent use of these items even in the future
3. It does not affect sales in states other than California
4. It does not prevent repair of older units.


There really is no need for panic. Those that want gas engines <25hp will buy them in Nevada, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, or any of the other 47 lower states.

Smuggling engines in will be very simple.


Smuggling cherries from Oregon into California is not simple.
Since you can still simply drive somewhere else and purchase engines <25hp and since you can still use engines <25hp isn't the new law simply hurting California businesses and not really doing anything for quality of air they are breathing?

Are the Hot Shot crews switching out to battery operated equipment, like their chain saws? I suspect passing this type of law is simply a group of lawmakers trying to get some future votes.

California is much like the State I grew up in (Illinois). They are currently, and have been for decades, totally broke and continue to spend money they don't have. States like that should start worrying about how they are spending each year and maybe after getting their house in order start this type of grandstanding for different special interest groups, IMHO of course.
 

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After reading the law again, and reading many of the responses to the law, I do not think this is about carb, but rather about headlines and attention. There is no enforcement provisions. It will hurt local business retail sales, but I do not see how the average RV will care.

The rvs most affected are the rental class c. Most of these are rented outside of the state of California and driven in. I doubt that anyone is going to suffer the heat and turn off the generator once they cross the border.

It's just noise.
 
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