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This thread is to document your ideas for Newmar to read. This is not a complaint thread but a constructive idea thread if you come up with ideas to improve or innovate. Newmar seems to have responded to my thread posted on IRV2 of this nature, let's continue it here.
 
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With the recent thread on IRV2 regarding blind spots and the fact that there's a company that will add blind-spot sensors similar to those found in higher-end automobiles, I encourage Newmar to make them a standard feature in their coaches. Many of the new trucks seem to have them; why not motorhomes?

TJ
 
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Safety
- Integrated TPMS across all lines as a standard. Bonus pointif 4 extra sensors included to also monitor a tow vehicle. This is 100% a safety issue.
- Include a rubber block for diesel park brakes to block brake release and prevent it from being released by accident when engine is off. An alternative to this might also be a pull-and-turn version of the diesel brake where when you pull the brake to set it, you also turn it 1/4 turn clockwise to lock it. To release, pull, turn 1/4 counter-clockwise and push in.
- Clear acrylic cover over jack control pad to prevent pets/kids from accidentally setting it off.
- Self-weighing capability - Integrate these or something like them into the unit. It would be awesome for the operator to be able to look at a gauge and know all of my weights, including four corner weight at any time. +10 points if you can throw flags when overweight, or combine that with a TPMS reading and tell me if my pressure is high/low and what it should be at according to user-programmable tire chart.
- HID Headlights with cornering on all models: These things (Newmar’s) ain't cheap. They should have good headlights. If you can use Dodge Durango headlights on my unit and charger headlights on Dutchstars, you can at least get the HID versions.
- Docking lights standard: Every RV made should be required to have docking lights. It's just safety.
- Integrate seatbelts into the seats themselves: Don't attach them to the wall. My seat is bolted to the chassis. My wall is held up by aluminum studs. I trust my seat to keep me in my rig a lot more than I trust my sidewall.
- Stop blocking the emergency egress in the rear with the toilet. The DSDP 4081 and 4020 rear bath layouts are the only layouts that doesn't do this.
- Integrated dash cam with side cams and rear cam all feeding into a central DVR, accessible by a smartphone, tablet or computer via in-coach wifi.
- Give passenger popup screen on right side under window to monitor cameras, control music and otherwise be a good co-pilot.
- Wireless interconnected smoke alarms in basement, house and generator area. If one goes off, they should all go off.
- Option to make bunk windows egress windows with toss down rope ladders tucked underneath mattress.
- Option for fire suppression system in engine area.
- Make a battery cutoff switch standard across all lines.
- All coaches should come with three fire extinguishers. One in front, one located mid-way, one in the rear.
- Power windows for driver and front-passenger chair. Mine is manual, I think this is an option or maybe standard on 2020 DSDP+, but honestly a power window? C'mon. This is easy and super convenient.

Comfort/Convenience
- Modern infotainment systems. No quarter-million dollar+ coach should come with infotainment from the late 1990's. Minimum 8" screens but honestly, the larger the better. Anything with CarPlay, AndroidAuto or Android Automotive would be fine for most.
- Include a 16' telescoping ladder with coach or give us some sort of way of getting up on the roof. An access hatch from inside the coach, maybe through the top of the rear closet could be neat but I'm just spitballing. Give me a way to get on the roof is all.
- Include a Generator Hours display inside coach. +10 points if you can integrate it into the display like ComfortDrive is done now.
- Provide an alternative option to the WiFi Ranger. Competition is good everyone! Wineguard RV TOGO maybe? It’s got solid hardware inside and $360/year unlimited data plan. At the very least, do the grunt work of identifying and providing a menu of compatible data plans that will work with it out of the box. Took me over a month to find a data plan that worked with the WiFi Ranger that wasn't priced as though they thought I was Scrooge McDuck.
- Remote Dump Controls - Create options to be able to dump tanks from inside the coach. Extra credit if you allow the tanks to dump automatically at a certain level. In both cases, these mechanisms should be required to be explicitly turned on when hooking up by the operator and should automatically be disabled and gates closed when the RV sewer is no longer hooked up and/or the ignition is on.
- Unused Conduits as Standard - Every unit should have an unused 1" conduit from the overhead driver's cabinet to the roof for the owner to run new wires for various equipment as well as an unused 1" conduit from the roof to the half-bath and down to the basement. This will make it infinitely easier for owners to add things to their units down the line without having to rip things apart and play the lottery with their power drill.
- Soft close overhead cabinets - they slam shut loudly and abruptly. I've pinched my fingers in them a couple times.
- Option for a built-in whole-coach reverse osmosis system with a bypass option for when I trust the source
- Option for a built-in water softener
- Gravity fill for fresh water tank
- Slides should emit an audible warning and stop moving inward if Driver or Passenger Chair are in the way and would be damaged. On models where damage to baggage doors might occur, same if those baggage doors are open. Don't let people break their rigs because of bad design.
- Fix the external Microwave Vent issue in Production. I shouldn't have had to fix that at FPU/CPU. It's an easy fix. Do it in production.
- Make the valances more low profile. Currently, they're built using 1" thickness wood. They don't need to be that thick. You could easily do with 1/2". It's just there to block light creep and make the windows look finished. Secondly, bring them as close to the shade rollers as possible. There is a lot of wasted space in there.
- Option for a four burner induction w/ additional batteries as appropriate: 2 burners isn't always enough for a full-timing family.
- Boondocker's Package: Very robust (almost full roof) solar implementation with a large battery bank, whole-coach reverse osmosis and larger fresh, black and grey water tanks. Maybe even a switch to divert gray through a fine filter and be used in the toilets to stretch the fresh water. IDK if that last part is a good idea or not - gray can be almost as bad as black sometimes.
- Maintenance Free Batteries: No more battery watering. Use AGM, Li-Ion or others battery types as appropriate. At the least, if you're going to install flooded batteries, give us a install a watering system with them. Make glamping as foolproof as possible.
- Option to install Air Boosters so that on-board compressors can be used to fill tires to 125psi in a reasonable amount of time without need for the separate compressor we all carry.
- AirForce 1 prep option for Freightliners: I hear FL won't do an AF1 prep for Newmar. Fine - Newmar, install the coach side AF1 equipment at the factory and hand over the vehicle-side AF1 components at delivery. Or maybe even contract with a local installer to come over to install the vehicle-side pieces as an all-in factory-performed AF1 option.
- Pull down lanyards on manual MCD shades. Simple. Effective. Why do I have to mod this in?
- Heated floors on any model that has tile. I have a Ventana. There’s no technical reason I couldn’t get heated floors under the tile.
- More floor on VTDP and below lines by creating an option to replace carpet with matching laminate in the slides. No heated floor option in the slides, just an alternative to carpet.
- Sealed trash chute: would be great to see a sealed trash chute of some sort so that I could keep my trash bin in the basement and just have a built in hole somewhere with an aluminum swinging or flip lid and my trash drops into the bin located in the basement.
- Leather wrapped dashboard and driver/passenger sidewall armrests - would be a really nice touch that would make things at least "feel" a little more on the level of automative quality.
- Option for RVWhisperer and a Newmar app that lets me control most of my units core operations from an app.
 
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Great list! Thanks for all the good ideas. Since we already have our coach, we'll just make this out "mod list."

TJ
 
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Some great suggestions! As most of you have diesel coaches, and have addressed many great options, I would like to address the "GAS" side of the equation!
The most common issue folks seem to have with Gas coaches are suspension & ride related. The other is "engine noise".

Current Chassis:
1) Offer a rear "Trac bar" assembly as an option. This would significantly reduce the sway that some folks encounter in high winds or passing 18 wheelers.
2) Offer a steering stabilizer such as the "Saf-T-Plus" as an option. This helps eliminate the constant steering input and provides an auto centering feature, and slightly increases steering resistance to eliminate the over correction issue some drivers face.
3) Offer an "Air bag" option to enhance the ride quality. This would soften the suspension, thus giving a better ride quality.
4) Offer an electric air compressor option for "airing" tires, or other needs.
5) Offer a "TPMS" system. This should become "Standard Equipment" on all Coaches.
6) Prewire to the 7 way connection, or have available, a "hot wire" to connect to the "toad" battery charger.
7) Make "Standard" or offer the option of an additional "sound deadening/noise abatement package.
8) Offer the exterior mirrors, such as on a Dutch Star, as an option. The current mirrors are located such that one must take their eyes off the road to look at the mirrors. This to me is a MUST, as a SAFETY feature! Side note: Can't yet get use to them, after the mirror location on the Mountain Aire.
9) "Sumo" springs could be offered as an additional ride enhancement to. Front, Rear, or Both.
10) Make available some of the "Interior" options mentioned above!

Future Chassis:
Coordinate with Ford to improve the FRONT SUSPENSION of the Gas chassis. This is the single largest Negative to a Gas Chassis Coach!
Variable rate front springs could add a substantial improvement in ride quality, without a total redesign of the chassis. These style & type springs have been used on different manufacture pick-ups for years. It is proven they enhance ride quality, yet are able to accept the additional loads when necessary, without significant negative impact on ride quality.
Again, "air bags" as an additional option, also would enhance ride quality.

On a personal note, I have made most of these recommended changes to my 2020 Canyon Star, with significant improvements in ride quality and handling. During the 770 mile trek back to Virginia, through the mountains of I-77, I-64, I-81, & back to I-64, I felt little, if any, sway from the winds in Indiana & Ohio, little movement from passing vehicles, and very little noticeable lean or roll through the mountains. The next project is "noise abatement" from the engine compartment, which will be addressed and hopefully remedied, as soon as I can get the "dog house" removed!;)
 
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I’ve got a gas coach now, on the same F53 chassis. I installed a Safe-T-Plus, Helwig rear sway bar, Sumo shocks, and Bilstein shocks. I find that the F53 chassis is extra sensitive to tire pressure with regards to handling, and keep a close eye on it via my TPMS, topping it off as needed. I did install the Dynamat under my doghouse and on the firewall under the dash; big improvement. I did answer you on that “other” forum on how to remove your doghouse...
 
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If your going to charge $2,723 extra for Omniview 360 camera system, how about including some decent sized monitors so the driver can actually see what those cameras are showing. If you need to charge a bit more to get the MA monitors, I think most folks who are inking a check for this option would pay it. This is a safety consideration.


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Safety
- Integrated TPMS across all lines as a standard option with the ability 4 extra sensors included to also monitor a tow vehicle. This is 100% a safety issue.

I’ve made this same point on other forum but I think asking Newmar to throw in the toad sensors is a stretch. They finally have this on the DS, but they need to push it on down the line for ALL coaches.


- Include a rubber block for diesel park brakes to block brake release and prevent it from being released by accident when engine is off.

Love this.


- Clear acrylic cover over jack control pad to prevent pets from accidentally setting it off

Makes sense.


- Self-weighing capability - it would be awesome for the rig to be able to look at a gauge and know all of my weights, including four corner weight at any time.

It might be awesome but me thinks this is a stretch. $$$


- HID Headlights with cornering on all models: These things ain't cheap. They should have good headlights.

Absolutely. Not unique to a Newmar, but they should take the lead to fix this.


- Docking lights standard: Every RV made should be required to have docking lights. It's just safety.

Yep.


- Integrate seatbelts into the seats themselves: Don't attach them to the wall. My seat is bolted to the chassis. My wall is held up by aluminum studs. I trust my seat to keep me in my rig a lot more than I trust my sidewall.

They have fixed this on DS, not sure where we are on other brands.


- Stop blocking the emergency egress in the rear with the toilet. The DSDP 4081 and 4020 rear bath layouts are the only layouts that doesn't do this.

One reason I’ve ordered a 4081.


- Integrated dash cam with side cams and rear cam all feeding into a central DVR, accessible by a smartphone, tablet or computer via in-coach wifi.

Would be very helpful when some clown cuts you off and causes an accident.

- Give passenger popup screen on right side under window to monitor cameras, control music and otherwise be a good co-pilot.

This one really bothers me because they have it on the high-line and they refuse to allow it as an option on a DS. The competition (Entegra) has it on all their top three brands.

Comfort/Convenience

- Modern infotainment systems. No quarter-million dollar+ coach should come with infotainment from the late 1990's. Minimum 8" screens but honestly, the larger the better. Anything with CarPlay, AndroidAuto or Android Automotive would be fine for most.

Absolutely agree. They finally got 4K on the 2020’s just as Samsung started shipping 8K.

- Include a 16' telescoping ladder with coach

Really? I would settle for a telescoping ladder storage shelf. All that space above the rails could sure use standard built in shelf option.

- Include a Generator Hours display inside coach

Make it an option and I’m ok with this. I would not pay for it. I don’t need this info all that often.


- No more WiFi Ranger. Install commercial-grade solutions such as Pepwave BR1 MK2. You could even install the Winegard RV TOGO. WiFi Ranger belongs nowhere near Newmar products

Well, if that’s your opinion, don’t buy WiFI Ranger option. They do offer a WiFi Ranger prep which probably could be used for those alternate solutions.


- Remote Dump Controls - Create options to be able to dump tanks from inside the coach. Extra credit if you allow the tanks to dump automatically at a certain level. In both cases, these mechanisms should be required to be explicitly turned on when hooking up by the operator and should automatically be disabled when the RV sewer is no longer hooked up and/or the ignition is on.

As long as it’s an OPTION, I’m in.


- Roof Conduit as Standard - Every unit should have an unused 1" conduit from the overhead driver's cabinet to the roof for the owner to run new wires.

Absolutely should be standard feature.

- Soft close overhead cabinets - they slam shut loudly and abruptly. I've pinched my fingers in them a couple times.

Really? They have soft close drawers on theDS now, but these would IMO, add too much costs.

- Option for a built-in whole-coach reverse osmosis system with a bypass option for when I trust the source

OK if it’s an option.

- Option for a built-in water softener

OK if it’s an option.

- Gravity fill for fresh water tank

How come I had this on both my 20XX Monaco’s and Newmar can’t seem to offer this?

- Slides should emit an audible warning or stop moving inward if Driver or Passenger Chair are in the way and would be damaged. On models where damage to baggage doors might occur, slides should emit an audible warning and not move if those baggage doors are open.

Might be nice, but strikes me as one more complication to require repair. I mean, how hard is it to eyeball this stuff before you hit the slide button.

- Fix the external Microwave Vent issue in Production. I shouldn't have had to fix that at FPU/CPU. It's an easy fix. Do it in production.

Makes sense. They charge $426 for this Special on a DS. No excuse for not doing it right every time. They should also make this a listed option and not a Special so those of us who think $426 is a ridiculous price for a hole in the sidewall won’t waste time putting it on our specials request list

- Reduce the depth of the valances: They don't need to be so honking big and bulky - why are they so bulky? They don't need to be that big to hide the shades. So, much wasted space. It's crazy.


- Four burner induction option: 2 burners isn't always enough for a full-timing family.

Wouldn’t buy it myself, but makes sense.

- Boondocker's Package: Very robust solar implementation with a large battery bank, whole-coach reverse osmosis and larger fresh, black and grey water tanks.

Yep, I wonder if anyone actually buys the current solar option.


- Maintenance Free Batteries: No more battery watering. Use AGM, Li-Ion or others battery types as appropriate.

Well the DS has AGM now and Lithium is a big step up cost wise. I think if they offered Lithium at a reasonable costs as an option, some folks would buy that. I’ve seen cases where buyers have essentially “scrapped” perfectly good brand new AGM batteries to replace with Lithium.

- Install Air Boosters so that on-board compressors can be used to fill tires to 125psi in a reasonable amount of time

Acceptable as an option. Some folks, like me, would always prefer a stand-alone compressor.

- AirForce 1 prep option for Freightliners: Install the coach side AF1 equipment at the factory and hand over the vehicle-side AF1 components at delivery

On the air jack, they could have this tomorrow if they just wrote it into the chassis spec. Spartan must be throwing this in on their own.

The AF1 would be ok as an option. Lots of folks have alternative auxiliary brake solutions they prefer.


- Pull down lanyards on manual MCD shades

Ok.
Overall, I love Mapnerd’s list, but wanted to add a few comments.... see above.


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Thanks for the feedback @deaton. I will continue to revise my list as I discover more about my rig and others. @Neal I wonder if anyone at Newmar has been alerted to the existence of this forum. It would be great to see @Newmar respond to things.
 
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I wonder if anyone at Newmar has been alerted to the existence of this forum
Only the NKK so far (and they haven't responded) but I'll reach out to Newmar soon.
 
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Could I suggest an optional pressure washer and deionizer tank option plumbed in? I believe the washer may already exist as an option but not the deionizer tank.
 
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Thanks for the feedback @deaton. I will continue to revise my list as I discover more about my rig and others. @Neal I wonder if anyone at Newmar has been alerted to the existence of this forum. It would be great to see @Newmar respond to things.
Having been on IRV2 since 2010, I can’t remember ever seeing Newmar (or any other manufacturer for that matter) responding directly to any posts on the forum.

That said, there is lots if evidence that somebody at Newmar does read these postings as shown by all the suggestions that have appeared in postings that have later been incorporated into new offerings.

The closest I have ever seen to a direct response is when Tom Chelbana (Newmar Man) organized a gathering at one if the Newmar International rally’s (I think it was Gillette, WY) where we had over 100 IRV2 members in a conference room with Matt Miller for a direct question and some answers session. Good stuff.

Tom claims to have a back door line to some in Newmar management and I have no reason to doubt that’s the case.
 
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Maybe we can be the first! It would certainly be a big feature if we could get them to reply using company handles. They've all got PR/Media teams, I don't see why we couldn't just reach out to them and offer it up. On a thread like this, maybe they would never say anything at all, which I'd understand but in other threads where people are reporting problems, they could certainly respond and tell that person to DM them.
 
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I've started reaching out to the commercial reps, vendors, etc. and I will certainly reach out to Newmar execs in time.
 
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Larger Refrigerator like Entegra uses

Larger night stands. We have phones. tablets, remotes that need a home OR some type of wall organizer option.
 
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We all want a ceiling fan in the bedroom Newmar. I'm sure you've heard this a gazillion times.
 
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Don't make Solar Prep an option, make it STANDARD in ALL Newmars. This sets Newmar above the others, make every coach "green" solar ready. Solar prep is nothing more than running the 6 AWG wires to the roof and ethernet to the inside. I'm sure the costs could be covered in the sale price adjusted as needed but let's just make this standard so anyone in the future that all of the sudden decides to add solar can because it's a Newmar.
 
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Would love to have KIB system tied into web based interface so we could connect to Amazon Echo.

On my to do list, but would be nice to be built-in...
 
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Newmar you MUST install OASIS mufflers again. Walking the pup at 5 AM this morning it was embarrassing how much noise my coach made with the OASIS running compared to the rest of the CG which is all propane. I'm not sure why you stopped installing them, apparently you used to.
 
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Make spice draw on kitchen slide out 3/4 inch taller so spices can actually stand up. Perfect draw for spices, height is ok except for latch, henceforth the 3/4 inches
 
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