Unwanted Awning Deployment

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I know many know about the several unwanted awning deployments there have been with the Girard awnings. I just want to share an incident I saw on I-15 in Utah yesterday as I can’t seem to get it out of my head. Around Cedar City I saw a Motorhome on the side of the highway, as I approached my first thought was to move over to the other lane to provide a safety margin. Too much traffic so a no go. I realized upon getting closer it was another Newmar and something was hanging from the roof line at the rear half passenger side of the coach. Upon passing it was obvious the rear awning had deployed while traveling😢

This would be such a nightmare, I had gotten in the habit of unplugging the control modules in the basement on our 2017. The new 2020 DS has a lock switch on the remote and panel in the overhead cabinet. I have not researched how it locks out the awning ie removes power but know if you try to deploy the awnings they do not go out. This has given me the impression that I didn’t need to unplug the controllers anymore. After seeing the incident yesterday I will go back to unplugging them until I research what the lock button actual does.

I know there was also a coach that was involved with Newmar and Girard in resolving the issue where a filter was installed to eliminate RF which was causing a problem. I’m not convinced that the issue has been resolved.
 
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Yikes! Those Girards look gorgeous but the stories are a nightmare!
 
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Is there a fuse in the coach that would be easier to pull to remove power in one place? What about putting in some master on/off switch that disables power?
 
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Did it deploy or did the wind get under the material and unrolled. maybe a lock failed?
 
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Is there a fuse in the coach that would be easier to pull to remove power in one place? What about putting in some master on/off switch that disables power?

I think this is what the lock button is for, I just need to confirm how/what it actually does. I am thinking of calling Girard after I dig out the manual and see if it describes what the button actually does.
 

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Update on locking button included on remotes. This only locks out the remote and does not remove any power. You can push the button on the controllers and awnings will deploy/retract. I will continue to unplug the controllers as a safety measure when traveling😁
 
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Where is the power to the awning motors themselves? If it's a fuse, wouldn't that be the best place to disable?
 
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Easy enough to pull 2 110vac plugs that are located on aft wall of the passenger side half bay compartment. I will take a look but since it’s ac for controllers I doubt there is a fuse. When I get back in the coach today I will look at breakers in 1/2 bath and my pictures of all the fuse panels
 
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Easy enough to pull 2 110vac plugs that are located on aft wall of the passenger side half bay compartment. I will take a look but since it’s ac for controllers I doubt there is a fuse. When I get back in the coach today I will look at breakers in 1/2 bath and my pictures of all the fuse panels
Is there any chance that pulling the plugs (i.e. removing power) could affect any programming in the awning controller? I don't know how much programming (if any) is involved. In/out stop limits, perhaps?

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Hasn’t changed anything on mine, I’ve been doing it since we had our 2017. I was thinking the lock button may mean the awnings were locked and couldn’t deploy. I was wrong😳only disables remotes. Stop limits are a function of motor and the arm extension.
 
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When the Girard awning issues first came up on the forums, I happened to start up the coach once when the awnings were extended. To my surprise the awning immediately retracted. Turns out that there must be a wire connected to the controller that gets power when the coach is started and this provided a signal to the controller to retract. If you haven't already started up the coach while the awnings were extended, I recommend you give it a try to see if they retract (and will not allow you to extend it). I don't know if there is a specific model of the controller or if it's a feature that Newmar wires up starting at a certain trim level.
 
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The Dometic awning on the Baystar also retracts when the engine is started. The problem here is the motor continues to try to retract it after it is fully retracted, so I have to pull the fuse in the electrical cabinet in the bathroom before getting underway.
 
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I don't know if there is a specific model of the controller or if it's a feature that Newmar wires up starting at a certain trim level.
It’s not, mine does that I noted several months back and I don’t think you can get Girards below the Ventana. Could be wrong on that.
 
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Okay spent a little time today looking to see if I could see a any fuses/breakers for the the awnings. In the 1/2 bath 12v 7.5a fuse F18 controls the entry door awning along with the window awnings by removing power to the switches located in cabinet above driver seat.

in the power panel behind the cord reel is B16 20a fuse for power awnings. This is not a convenient location and being 20a suspect this is for the motors.

Lastly, I checked to see if there was ignition interlock that would retract entry door or patio awnings when starting the engine. Answer for my coach is no, they remained extended.

I feel confident that removing 110vac plugs from controllers is easiest preventative way to keep the awnings from unwanted deployment.
 
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Since you have 120V power is there not a circuit breaker in the breaker panel in the half bath?
 
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Since you have 120V power is there not a circuit breaker in the breaker panel in the half bath?

None noted that relate to the awnings☹️
 
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A few months ago my Girard awning would not deploy. Noticed the GFI in the medicine cabinet of the half bath was tripped and wouldn’t reset. Replaced the GFI and the awnings worked so there should be a main breaker for that circuit.
Since I don’t use the main awning all that often and don’t want an errant deployment, I installed a couple of these where the awnings are plugged in in the basement. Simple to turn on when I want to use the awnings.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QKPBZX1/?tag=rvf01-20
 
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A few months ago my Girard awning would not deploy. Noticed the GFI in the medicine cabinet of the half bath was tripped and wouldn’t reset. Replaced the GFI and the awnings worked so there should be a main breaker for that circuit.
Since I don’t use the main awning all that often and don’t want an errant deployment, I installed a couple of these where the awnings are plugged in in the basement. Simple to turn on when I want to use the awnings.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QKPBZX1/?tag=rvf01-20
So the easy answer is to trip the GFI before you leave your location. The GFI likely is strung with the outside outlets and maybe kitchen. You should test the GFI regularly anyhow so simple answer. For the rest of you you might see if that would work for you.
 
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So the easy answer is to trip the GFI before you leave your location. The GFI likely is strung with the outside outlets and maybe kitchen. You should test the GFI regularly anyhow so simple answer. For the rest of you you might see if that would work for you.
If you are like us, that cabinet is full of stuff so testing/resetting that GFI is not as easy as it sounds.
 
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