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Yes this feels right! We also know some customers are investigating auxiliary ground deploy systems that would boost the Lightship through the NACS while boondocking, further supplementing roof solar.
Having the power for an extended stay is one thing. Tank capacity is another. My guess is you've got plenty of Batt and Solar onboard for no longer than the black/ gray tanks and fresh water supply are going to allow you to stay in place. Especially with a crew of four. I guess a person could carry extra water and a 30 gal. or so portable waste tank ( which however full would weigh about 250 lbs.).
 
Having the power for an extended stay is one thing. Tank capacity is another. My guess is you've got plenty of Batt and Solar onboard for no longer than the black/ gray tanks and fresh water supply are going to allow you to stay in place. Especially with a crew of four. I guess a person could carry extra water and a 30 gal. or so portable waste tank ( which however full would weigh about 250 lbs.).
agree, we believe that water is the primary limiter, though we've maxed that as much as we could (50 fresh, 10 fresh in hot water heater=60 vs the 39 gallons in airstream tradewind 27fb for example)
 
agree, we believe that water is the primary limiter, though we've maxed that as much as we could (50 fresh, 10 fresh in hot water heater=60 vs the 39 gallons in airstream tradewind 27fb for example)

+1 that water is likely the primary constraint, with power a close second. On the power side, it really comes down to three variables: arrival SOC, daily solar input, and daily output (systems, accessories, HVAC).

I’m continuing to refine my CER calculator (Camp Establishment Reserve), or more practically, “How much power do I need for a 3/5/7-day boondocking trip?”.

While I wait patiently for VIN 15 to roll off the line and begin real-world testing, my primary analytics have focused on:

1. EV tow vehicle range (now largely answered), and
2. CER sustainability once on site.

My current theoretical modeling supports the premise that water, not power, is likely the limiting factor in most scenarios. That said, there are clear baseline and edge cases (especially arrival SOC). If you pull in near 100%, as @turbopilot seems to be doing, water may be the only real constraint in typical conditions.

Tokenblitzing with ChatGPT to pressure-test my assumptions, the 1.8 kWh solar array appears to average roughly:

  • Fall: ~5.0 kWh/day
  • Spring: ~5.0 kWh/day
  • Summer: ~8.0 kWh/day
  • Winter: ~3.0 kWh/day
Against that, modeled kWh (systems and HVAC) draw ranges from ~5.5 kWh/day (≈20° temp delta over 8–10 hrs) up to ~9.5 kWh/day (≈40° delta). I built a sliding-scale model using interpolated data from @Rory (Lightship Team)’s Florida testing.

In reality there are hundreds of variables (shade, orientation, usage behavior, etc.). But so far the modeling is showing:
  • Summer: likely net positive or neutral energy into the battery
  • Spring/Fall: neutral to modest drawdown on the battery
  • Winter: meaningful battery drawdown
I’ll validate all of this once VIN 15 arrives, but the modeling is increasing my confidence that, in most real-world scenarios, water will tap out before electrons do.
 
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+1 that water is likely the primary constraint, with power a close second. On the power side, it really comes down to three variables: arrival SOC, daily solar input, and daily output (systems, accessories, HVAC).

I’m continuing to refine my CER calculator (Camp Establishment Reserve), or more practically, “How much power do I need for a 3/5/7-day boondocking trip?”.

While I wait patiently for VIN 15 to roll off the line and begin real-world testing, my primary analytics have focused on:

1. EV tow vehicle range (now largely answered), and
2. CER sustainability once on site.

My current theoretical modeling supports the premise that water, not power, is likely the limiting factor in most scenarios. That said, there are clear baseline and edge cases (especially arrival SOC). If you pull in near 100%, as @turbopilot seems to be doing, water may be the only real constraint in typical conditions.

Tokenblitzing with ChatGPT to pressure-test my assumptions, the 1.8 kWh solar array appears to average roughly:

  • Fall: ~5.0 kWh/day
  • Spring: ~5.0 kWh/day
  • Summer: ~8.0 kWh/day
  • Winter: ~3.0 kWh/day
Against that, modeled kWh (systems and HVAC) draw ranges from ~5.5 kWh/day (≈20° temp delta over 8–10 hrs) up to ~9.5 kWh/day (≈40° delta). I built a sliding-scale model using interpolated data from @Rory (Lightship Team)’s Florida testing.

In reality there are hundreds of variables (shade, orientation, usage behavior, etc.). But so far the modeling is showing:
  • Summer: likely net positive or neutral energy into the battery
  • Spring/Fall: neutral to modest drawdown on the battery
  • Winter: meaningful battery drawdown
I’ll validate all of this once VIN 15 arrives, but the modeling is increasing my confidence that, in most real-world scenarios, water will tap out before electrons do.
Gemini says it should be net neutral with the 20k btu hvac in full summer and the solar producing at max capacity, but that's not accounting for any other draws. It will be interesting to see how that bears out. Apparently unlike traditional rooftop units the HVAC on the Lightship isn't either hauling a...or off, but goes into an efficiency/maintainance mode requiring less energy.
 
Gemini says it should be net neutral with the 20k btu hvac in full summer and the solar producing at max capacity, but that's not accounting for any other draws. It will be interesting to see how that bears out. Apparently unlike traditional rooftop units the HVAC on the Lightship isn't either hauling a...or off, but goes into an efficiency/maintainance mode requiring less energy.
Yes ... @Rory (Lightship Team) says I'm way overestimating power drawdowns, I'm sure he's right. For transparency here's my assumptions (to be verified when I get VIN 15):

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