Something, some things to think about at the campfire

[TR25]

I consider myself a thinker. And note all the little things, often meaningless, but still do. Just who and how I am.
I like this guy's vids as he too is a deep thinker. When RV-ing, as when at home, I don't watch TV....as I don't have one. I've gone for decades w/o having a tv. I do use computers as that 'can be' interactive, one just has to search it out if they want.

So listening to this guy's thoughts is something I can do sitting in the woods, campfire on low, just me and my thoughts. Or music--thousands of tunes on computer, a lot of it third world/esoteric mixes.

I was living in denver when they started putting the "traffic cameras" at intersections. We were told in the media they were for "traffic control, flow" and people bought it as traffic was bad and getting badder. But then I would see these cameras in very low to no traffic areas, say off ramps on the interstate in the lunar landscape NE of brighton, on I-70 in the mountains, in small satellite towns, etc.

This showed me a few things:
1. It wasn't a "local" program alone as it covered many jurisdictions, some where there were only state and fed.
2. We were being lied to as it didn't have anything to do with traffic flow as they were where there was little to no traffic at all.
3. Traffic arteries were first, at intersections, then smaller side streets had "traffic cameras". Again, not traffic flow oriented.
4. A lot of these cameras were facing WITH the flow of traffic, at the far side of the intersection. What good was that? They are already through the intersection, so it wasn't a red-light camera. Some states only require a rear license plate, so no matter where the vehicle is licensed, it's plate will be seen by those cameras, unlike just a face on camera.
5. They had the ability to read license plates, though we were repeatedly told they couldn't. I knew they were lying about this too as the 'red light cameras' had to have the ability to scan the plate to attach the vehicle to any red light infraction.
6. Parking enforcement in downtown was switching to driving the streets with cameras on them and their direction was down to where the license plates would be located. Again, the ability of scanning and logging individual vehicles were taking place.
7. Then I saw those type of cameras being mounted on some police vehicles, pointing at 45* angles, facing forward and down in back. The only reason for such cameras at such locations and orientation would be to scan the license plates of vehicles in passing.

So in the 90s, I saw what was coming, the constant ability to identify individuals and monitor, log their movements in public. And that we were being lied to about it. The last one was pretty weird, but nowadays, both are undertandable...and even accepted.
I can't even start my computer w/o logging in with a unique account. Same with phones. And a tremendous amount of data gathering of us individuals takes place with most any transaction, interaction....or even just walking down the street (g**gle's ring type cameras), our thermostat, heck, anything with a wifi, like your microwave. How about individual vehicles/RVs?

Vehicles are now requiring people to purchase a subscription to the software in them. BMW for one, but with the trend towards having a tablet for a dashboard, we might have to create an account and log in in order to use our vehicle/RV. Probably be sold to us as "convenience" and/or "our safety". And also, getting rid of the indepdent shops who can work on your RV/vehicle as they don't have the software reading devices, so to the dealerships for anything you go. They'll have all your data...and I'm sure they wouldn't sell/share it....

I'm glad and fortunate enough to have been born and raised when I did as it's a completely new world out there now. And getting more "Brave" every day it seems. There was a movie where the main actor was the show--but he didn't know he was even on a show. He was monitored all the time--and probably most of the people were actors, unbeknownst to him. Truman? Anyway....we might be there.

Deep thoughts for thinkers and those who observe life:

 

[lostinfla]

They can watch me all they want. I'm sure "they" would get bored quickly. Nothing to see here...

 

[John&Andrea]

I don’t mind the cameras, I don’t plan on breaking the law. Now I may go through a light that turns red and get a ticket but not yet.

Here in the Atlanta area they used said cameras recently to catch a drive by shooter. So I guess they have a good purpose.

 

[Underboss]

I am so glad I got out ............before cameras became prevalent and do not even get me started on touch dna....

 

[Rollin Ollen]

They can watch me all they want. I'm sure "they" would get bored quickly. Nothing to see here...

Same here.

 

[TR25]

I don’t mind the cameras, I don’t plan on breaking the law.

Most people are law abiding citizens.
The vid got me to thinking about how the ability to monitor and record most every interaction, even passively, people do is what I think about.
Why do I need to log into g**gle to get the weather forecast from my desktop? Any 'smart phones' are mostly for data collection of individuals.
faceb**k is notorious at mining and keeping as much data as they can on each individual.

But as you mentioned cameras specifically, yeah, the ability to help solve a few crimes are the benefit. But wouldn't making it mandatory for every person to carry around a tracking device be far less expensive? It would. Granted, that's what is called a 'smart phone' these days, but besides that.

Witnessing these 'people's movement monitoring cameras' develop and spread over time got me to thinking. Why does govt need to know where everyone is when they are out in public? And keep those records of people's movements for god only knows how long? Are we that important? I'm not.

The few criminal cases 'solved' isn't worth it. I mean it's not like there is any "law and order' tough on crime/criminals movements taking place in us cities, where almost all of these people monitoring networks are located. Many people do the crime, get caught, then get let go anyway.

We have seen how "our" phone records have been sold/shared with businesses and another entity for nefarious purposes.

I'm glad I grew up and aged in a different world.

 

[TR25]

Here in the Atlanta area they used said cameras recently to catch a drive by shooter. So I guess they have a good purpose.

making it mandatory that everyone carry a personal tracker would be FAAAAR less expensive. and if it helps solve on crime, wouldn't that be worth it? If one is a law abiding citizen, there should be no concerns, no?

a great case to be made is people already carry trackers of location, but also contacts, interactions, videos/searches....their 'smart phones'.

I remember back when the internet was fun....

 

[Underboss]

Most people are law abiding citizens.
The vid got me to thinking about how the ability to monitor and record most every interaction, even passively, people do is what I think about.
Why do I need to log into g**gle to get the weather forecast from my desktop? Any 'smart phones' are mostly for data collection of individuals.
faceb**k is notorious at mining and keeping as much data as they can on each individual.

But as you mentioned cameras specifically, yeah, the ability to help solve a few crimes are the benefit. But wouldn't making it mandatory for every person to carry around a tracking device be far less expensive? It would. Granted, that's what is called a 'smart phone' these days, but besides that.

Witnessing these 'people's movement monitoring cameras' develop and spread over time got me to thinking. Why does govt need to know where everyone is when they are out in public? And keep those records of people's movements for god only knows how long? Are we that important? I'm not.

The few criminal cases 'solved' isn't worth it. I mean it's not like there is any "law and order' tough on crime/criminals movements taking place in us cities, where almost all of these people monitoring networks are located. Many people do the crime, get caught, then get let go anyway.

We have seen how "our" phone records have been sold/shared with businesses and another entity for nefarious purposes.

I'm glad I grew up and aged in a different world.

Any video that leads to the capture of a killer is worth my vehicle being recorded

 

[TR25]

Any video that leads to the capture of a killer is worth my vehicle being recorded

That can be an acceptable trade off for some. There has long been a tradeoff in that area.
A more surefire way to catch any 'criminals' would be to have everyone in the usa go to the local police station and submit their DNA and have that go into a data center. It already exists for people that have been convicted of felonies, so why not have that for everyone?

People's bank/financial records can also be very useful in catching a person that did a crime. Just setting up a financial transaction center to record everyone's financial transactions would be pretty easy thanks to technology.

Same with making people carry a tracker on their body. Most of us either carry keys and/or a cell phone, so either can be used as a tracker of our movements. That right there would help solve a lot of crimes, just like the mandatory DNA submission to data centers would.

"surrender this and in exchange it'll be for your protection/security" is how a lot of this is historically marketed and sold. There's been a few gens who don't give it a second thought as how they interact with the world, almost all of it is recorded and kept.
Like in the vid....it's a progression, with most sounding quite legitimate at first. g**gle wanting me to sign in to check the weather 'for a better experience'? For whom? and how can me looking at a forecast be a better experience for me? Fb does it too, go look at some website on the net and fb/gle has trackers there to log your behaviors into their databanks.

Some interesting people have been both orwell and huxley, the latter being "a brave new world". Another one, in movie format is "brazil". That was made in the 80s IIRC.

 

[Underboss]

That can be an acceptable trade off for some. There has long been a tradeoff in that area.
A more surefire way to catch any 'criminals' would be to have everyone in the usa go to the local police station and submit their DNA and have that go into a data center. It already exists for people that have been convicted of felonies, so why not have that for everyone?

People's bank/financial records can also be very useful in catching a person that did a crime. Just setting up a financial transaction center to record everyone's financial transactions would be pretty easy thanks to technology.

Same with making people carry a tracker on their body. Most of us either carry keys and/or a cell phone, so either can be used as a tracker of our movements. That right there would help solve a lot of crimes, just like the mandatory DNA submission to data centers would.

"surrender this and in exchange it'll be for your protection/security" is how a lot of this is historically marketed and sold. There's been a few gens who don't give it a second thought as how they interact with the world, almost all of it is recorded and kept.
Like in the vid....it's a progression, with most sounding quite legitimate at first. g**gle wanting me to sign in to check the weather 'for a better experience'? For whom? and how can me looking at a forecast be a better experience for me? Fb does it too, go look at some website on the net and fb/gle has trackers there to log your behaviors into their databanks.

Some interesting people have been both orwell and huxley, the latter being "a brave new world". Another one, in movie format is "brazil". That was made in the 80s IIRC.

There are ways around DNA and phone tracking. But a tried and true method of the last few years is cameras. Whether private or public, they have led to the capture of many criminals. Even if it is just getting one murderer, its worth my loss of privacy in public. Kind of a misnomer, as whats my right to privacy in public, zero rights.
I am not paranoid, I am not afraid that the government is watching me. Maybe 40 years ago I would have worried, now, no. I would rather see a murderer caught.
If I was worried I would not have my home set up with home automation, alexa, cameras, televisions, hell even ovens are online now.
I know there are many tin foil types that will argue against my position but it will stand. All I say is what if your sister was raped and murdered, would you wan t that person caught?