Something, some things to think about at the campfire

[AbdRahim]

I rebel against all such surveillance to the best of my ability. Need to disconnect the the gps in my truck. Not rushing to buy newfangled vehicle and refuse to use smart phone, siri, cortana or any of that stuff. I cannot win, but I will go down fighting. Hmmm. Sounds like a good Kiingon.

 

[Vint]

Traffic cameras have two purposes: first, to make money for the traffic camera company by selling to municipalities for their use, and second, to help the poor, bankrupt municipalities make money. Period. Everything else said regarding the need for them is nothing more than pure political b.s. lies like always.

 

[Holdmybeer]

"A zealot is someone who having forgotten the original cause nevertheless doubles down in the effort"

 

[Scotttkd2]

My neighbors are ultra paranoid and have cameras at every corner of their house. They are even afraid to turn on any lights in their house at night. Ive asked them to redirect the camera that points at my property but they refuse. So, whenever I am in that area working on or hooking up my RV I do so with my d!ck hanging out.

They've called the cops on me but since I'm on private property and their camera is aimed over my fence into my yard I am free to dress as I like in my own side yard where I store my RV.

Peep my back yard and I'll give you something to see


I've tried the paint ball approach but they just clean it off and threaten me. I know it's not the right approach so I stopped. The cops have told them they are invading my privacy and to stop but they won't. I hate neighbors. I live on a street with only 3 houses and one of them has to be occupied by nut jobs.


Oh, and they are Flat Earthers too...... They rent and I've talked to the owner and ask them not to renew the lease. Even offered to rent it myself with the right to sublet if need be.

Sounds like a great spot to increase the height of your privacy fence in front of their camera. Let them see shrubs!

 

[Kevin D Pem]

I rebel against all such surveillance to the best of my ability. Need to disconnect the the gps in my truck. Not rushing to buy newfangled vehicle and refuse to use smart phone, siri, cortana or any of that stuff. I cannot win, but I will go down fighting. Hmmm. Sounds like a good Kiingon.

Absolutely!

 

[TR25]

There is not, nor can there be, any expectation of privacy in public.
It's really that simple to me.

do you find any difference between being in public and using facial recognition, vehicle license plate readers and computers to keep track of every place you've gone to and along the way for the last year and into the future indefinitely stored indefinitely?

I might not have had any issue with this, but the fact that the 'people' doing this are using our money to do it, monitor us and log us....and lying about it to us.
If it's on the up and up, why don't they just say they are putting in facial recognition cameras and license plate readers so they can document and track anyone at any time? They can even say it may solve a crime...but as we've seen, that's not the usually the case. They could use statistics and say that it might help them solve 1 out of 1000 crimes, or whatever the stat is. Some cities have had them in place for a decade or more and violent crime is still high there.

 

[TheLooks]

do you find any difference between being in public and using facial recognition, vehicle license plate readers and computers to keep track of every place you've gone to and along the way for the last year and into the future indefinitely stored indefinitely?

I might not have had any issue with this, but the fact that the 'people' doing this are using our money to do it, monitor us and log us....and lying about it to us.
If it's on the up and up, why don't they just say they are putting in facial recognition cameras and license plate readers so they can document and track anyone at any time? They can even say it may solve a crime...but as we've seen, that's not the usually the case. They could use statistics and say that it might help them solve 1 out of 1000 crimes, or whatever the stat is. Some cities have had them in place for a decade or more and violent crime is still high there.

As I said, they have to want to use it for good.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

For those that can remember the propaganda taught in public schools after WW2.

Carding and surveillance at the level in our current society was called ....
Well they called Hitler quite a few nasty names for it, and was our governments justification for our involvement in Europe.
And lessons in schools after the war that condemned the practice.
Don't argue,read some History books.

 

[TR25]

I don’t mind the cameras, I don’t plan on breaking the law. Now I may go through a light that turns red and get a ticket but not yet.

Here in the Atlanta area they used said cameras recently to catch a drive by shooter. So I guess they have a good purpose.

When they put 'red light' cameras in denver==or mebbe it was a speeding camera== they mailed a ticket to someone w/the pic of his vehicle, the fine, etc. He mailed back a picture of that amount of money. So they mailed him a picture of a pair of handcuffs. That was pretty funny.

Soon after they got those they got speeding cameras, selling them on they will make the children safe in your neighborhoods......they promptly set them up on I-70 in denver. It was a veritable cash cow for them--and the data company who they leased the cameras from.

When a pd got night vision...sold on the premise of protecting children or the like....they were using them on a bridge overpass to bust people for not wearing seatbelts.

I can go on all day with examples of giving a power to a human/authority only leads to 'problems.'
In recent memory--I'm being vague due to rules here--there were thousands of examples of people's data being used in a corrupt manner in order to incriminate them in a 'crime'. That was done w/o warrants too, mind you.

I can't talk about it anymore due to rules. power does corrupt

 

[TR25]

Oh, and they are Flat Earthers too...... They rent and I've talked to the owner and ask them not to renew the lease. Even offered to rent it myself with the right to sublet if need be.

Don't know what a flat earther is, but your showing off to them got a chuckle out of me. I did along the same lines w/telemarketers many decades ago. Get a new number or business name and you get hammered a LOT. So I started to ask the caller very graphic questions in s(xual nature. It was amusing where one actually started talking to me about her preferences and another, got seriously huffy and hung up.
Her boss called me right back and I told him that's how I talk with everyone and I didn't call them, they called me. He chuckled at that.

You make a great case for "no neighbors are good neighbors"
Which is why Im allergic to campgrounds

 

[TR25]

As I said, they have to want to use it for good.

and you believe what you are told? What they want to do, their stated desires, intentions?
There are hundreds of programs that were started "for the good" and have turned out to be a huge zero or worse, billions of negatives.
that's all I can say on that, but I hope you get my drift.

Here's one--put a governor in every motor vehicle that sets the max speed at 45 miles/hour. That's a lot safer speed to avoid or survive wrecks than any speed above that.
So they can actually, statistically prove to save lives, save the lives of children.
They can also cut down on gas consumption.
Maybe even saving some wildlife as I had a deer try to race my truck once.

The only cons of it would be it would take longer to get someplace. Well, that's a minor inconvenience when a person considers they are saving the life of children by just accepting the order to put a gov in your vehicle.

Back when MT had no speed limit, I found out rentals had them in to kick in at 120. Don't tell anyone that......

 

[TR25]

And lessons in schools after the war that condemned the practice.
Don't argue,read some History books.

due to the rules here, I can't touch that.

But what history does show is whenever power is taken away from the individual and put into the hands of others, a group of people, an institution, etc. then it always gets worse for the individuals.
And the more power they get, the more power they want.

There is no bad person/group/country in that. It's as close to being a universal saying as there is. Absolute power corrupt....absolutely.