Suggestions for Moderating Special Interest Group Forums Using Grok and Other AI Tools

[Kevin D Pem]

My turn! Time to skip my post!

I have no doubt AI can replace people that can't reason! But I can't be replaced. I have abilities that exceed that that was created by man.

Simple question. Most internet AI bots rely on posting of both people with knowledge, and those displaying their ego. So when those with experience quit posting because no one listens to them, or leave because, well they are looking for more than a robot companion. And only those with egos post at places like this. Will AI still show promise?

One member of my nomad community relies on AI before he makes a move on anything. I get it! As a professor of computer science specialized in AI he has to believe in his career choice.

However in recent months he has seen the failing in not consulting or putting weight in people's earned experience.

In a spiritual context, it is said the created can't exceed the creator. You can argue if you want, but that, and this post is all opinion, and opinion holds no real value.

 

[Jim]

My turn! Time to skip my post!

I have no doubt AI can replace people that can't reason! But I can't be replaced. I have abilities that exceed that that was created by man.

Simple question. Most internet AI bots rely on posting of both people with knowledge, and those displaying their ego. So when those with experience quit posting because no one listens to them, or leave because, well they are looking for more than a robot companion. And only those with egos post at places like this. Will AI still show promise?

One member of my nomad community relies on AI before he makes a move on anything. I get it! As a professor of computer science specialized in AI he has to believe in his career choice.

However in recent months he has seen the failing in not consulting or putting weight in people's earned experience.

In a spiritual context, it is said the created can't exceed the creator. You can argue if you want, but that, and this post is all opinion, and opinion holds no real value.

IMHO, and from the position of not having a lot of knowledge of how AI actually works, I would agree that AI can’t replace genuine experience, it can only echo what people have already shared. Also, IMHO, I think the danger isn’t AI itself, it’s people forgetting how to think without it. Tools are fine, but wisdom still needs a human operator.

 

[Holdmybeer]

Generative AI uses the same processes to create as any human would.

 

[Jim]

Generative AI uses the same processes to create as any human would.

Again, I don't know for sure, but I think Generative AI creates through pattern recognition and statistical prediction. Humans create through conscious experience, emotion, intuition, as well as intentional reasoning. IMO, there is a big difference.

 

[Jim]

For example, AI can write a poem about heartbreak, but it’s never had to divide years of assets in a divorce.

 

[Holdmybeer]

Again, I don't know for sure, but I think Generative AI creates through pattern recognition and statistical prediction. Humans create through conscious experience, emotion, intuition, as well as intentional reasoning. IMO, there is a big difference.

You can know for sure, it's as easy as an AI query.

 

[Neal]

AI is an invaluable tool, like any tool you need to understand how to use it. It is invaluable to me as a programmer, it is beyond amazing what it does for people writing code. It reads my mind, it is predicting code before I write it, all I have to do is click TAB to accept it. I often ask "how did it know that?" - it is incredible. It makes problem solving in software development amazing, just yesterday working on an Android app, instead of searching for answers I asked github copilot, my AI integration tool, how to do something and it updates my code and just requires me to press TAB to accept.

Do I see it as a moderation tool such as this thread title? No. If someone wants to go fact check something, go for it. Do I see this being something at the bottom of a post adding noise? No. Like I said, maybe someday there will be an option to click a "fact check" link on the bottom of the post to open a browser and get an AI opinion on the context, or maybe even at the thread level. I use XenForo here and there are developers working on AI integrations which I'll continue to monitor. But as stated, community chat is about context, discussion, opinions, not hard facts. It's part of the fun of the conversation.

AI is certainly interesting and it's here to stay. How the tool is used is up to those that use it. Even if you fall back to google search, it's still going to use AI as it's all integrated now.

 

[turbopilot]

But as stated, community chat is about context, discussion, opinions, not hard facts. It's part of the fun of the conversation.

I can get that stuff on FaceBook. Where do we go for "hard facts" tested by a large fund of knowledge but contrasted with actual human experience? More importantly, what is often needed is a way to tie break faulty recall or poor logic commonly part of human dialog. In its current state, with the best LLM's, they are best at gathering knowledge and "hard facts" and presenting it in a systematic context.

For special interest groups, like RV Forums, I think the best implementation of LLM's would be to give the LLM a user account on the forum and ask the LLM to participate in the discussion just like one of the human account owners. Grok is experimenting with this over on X. This will be the future of discussion forums. In the current context Grok would be invoked in the normal flow of discussion. If a difference of opinion arose in the course of a thread any human member could simply type "@Grok what is your opinion of this subject". Grok when then respond on its account with a new post giving an analysis of the thread to date.

We have been doing essentially the same thing here in recent weeks by asking an LLM off line for an analysis then copy/pasting the response into a thread under our own accounts. This would would do the same thing in an automated way and distinguish our opinions from those of the LLM.

 

[MemoriesByTheMile]

One of the challenges still in AI is hallucinations or AI making up stuff based on extrapolating patterns but declaring those hallucinations to be facts.
One of the items that I ask LLMs to provide me are sources that I can scan to be sure the summary appears to be correct.
In my work I used AI for enhancing data for companies/accounts and contacts. It is amazing what can be accomplished by AI working through a list of thousands of account in a day, segmenting accounts in ways that would have costs tens or hundreds of thousands of $ just a couple years ago but doing it within hours for a tiny fraction of the cost, and with a consistent quality. This opens so many doors for business and the sales world. But also makes it so easy to find and leverage data on both companies and individuals.

 

[Jim]

This opens so many doors for business and the sales world. But also makes it so easy to find and leverage data on both companies and individuals.

Yep, the world as we know it is about to make some really big changes.

 

[Holdmybeer]

Scott Galloway said "You'd think that the majority of brainpower in America and the world is dedicated to R&I, when in fact, 90% of the world's brainpower is dedicated to shaking consumers down". That will be the new frontier for AI, humans need not apply.

 

[GypsyR]

"fact check" link

I love it! Sure, you could use such a thing to antagonize people spouting loads of BS online but it would actually be a cool learning tool. IE:"Hey now THAT is interesting, Is it for real?" FACT CHECK. Save a bit of digging up Snope's opinion, Google searching, etc.
I don't see it here, we're just folks gabbing around the campfire.