CA strikes again with CARB ACT

[osuallen]

Now you're talking.

On a side note, OSU and A&M got it handed to us this weekend.

We got our a$$ handed to us all season. I am furious our 2 coordinators haven't been fired yet.

 

[turbopilot]

Interesting big picture view of the lithium battery eco system. Now figure out how much fossil fuel is needed to make this happen.

One study estimated that producing a single EV battery requires mining, moving, and processing roughly 500,000 pounds of raw materials. This includes the overburden (the material on top of the ore) and the ore itself.

 

[redbaron]

Because of CARB, FEMA is blocking access to Chimney rock. This is after a group of West Virginia coal miners built the road that FEMA would not build.

the same group then tore down the gate and FEMA responds by putting out a $280k contract for armed security.

The whole reason is that FEMA is trying to force people to sell their land to Blackrock to allow mining of lithium.

If CARB didn’t exist, this land grab would not be taking place.

We are about to see a civil war over land rights, and CARB is the center of this.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Because of CARB, FEMA is blocking access to Chimney rock. This is after a group of West Virginia coal miners built the road that FEMA would not build.

the same group then tore down the gate and FEMA responds by putting out a $280k contract for armed security.

The whole reason is that FEMA is trying to force people to sell their land to Blackrock to allow mining of lithium.

If CARB didn’t exist, this land grab would not be taking place.

We are about to see a civil war over land rights, and CARB is the center of this.

Yah, but you need to believe in weather manipulation to know the whole story! Science, and history isn't enough for that to happen!

 

[MarkMaxPayne]

Oregon proceeds with delay in adopting the CARB motorhome diesel "ban" for a year according to today's RV Miles video drop:

Best,
-Mark

 

[redbaron]

Oregon proceeds with delay in adopting the CARB motorhome diesel "ban" for a year according to today's RV Miles video drop:

Best,
-Mark

Looks like Oregon did this in July of 2024.

Department of Environmental Quality : Heavy-Duty Engine and Vehicle Omnibus Rule Update 2024 : Rulemaking at DEQ : State of Oregon

Heavy-Duty Low Nitrogen Oxides Omnibus Rule Updates 2024 rulemaking information

www.oregon.gov

 

[MarkMaxPayne]

Looks like Oregon did this in July of 2024.

Department of Environmental Quality : Heavy-Duty Engine and Vehicle Omnibus Rule Update 2024 : Rulemaking at DEQ : State of Oregon

Heavy-Duty Low Nitrogen Oxides Omnibus Rule Updates 2024 rulemaking information

www.oregon.gov

In terms of this particular issue for the state of Oregon, this article claims it just happened the week of November 18th: https://www.ijpr.org/environment-en...-temporarily-delay-zero-emission-trucks-rules

Best,
-Mark

 

[redbaron]

In terms of this particular issue for the state of Oregon, this article claims it just happened the week of November 18th: Oregon to temporarily delay zero-emission trucks rules

Best,
-Mark

Yeah, very confusing, but I agree this had to be recently done otherwise Oregon would not have been listed on so many articles as banning the diesel motorhomes.

 

[MarkMaxPayne]

Interesting that the slides used for their Nov 21st meeting, in which they did approve the extension, had no mention of motorhomes nor Freightliner nor Spartan. Like they have blinders on that only comprehend "heavy trucks" even though the impact is also to diesel Class A and Super C motorhomes.

https://ormswd2.synergydcs.com/HPRMWebDrawer/Record/6828767/File/document

Perhaps Freightliners are listed under Daimler? But still...

Best,
-Mark

 

[turbopilot]

Interesting that the slides used for their Nov 21st meeting, in which they did approve the extension, had no mention of motorhomes nor Freightliner nor Spartan. Like they have blinders on that only comprehend "heavy trucks" even though the impact is also to diesel Class A and Super C motorhomes.

https://ormswd2.synergydcs.com/HPRMWebDrawer/Record/6828767/File/document

Perhaps Freightliners are listed under Daimler? But still...

Best,
-Mark

A complete joke. These 2036 deadlines are impossible to meet. Even a big federally subsided program could not make it happen in that time period. And we are pretty sure that will not happen during the next 4 years.

The only hope for sanity is if DOGE can get the CARB Clean Act exemption revoked. Then followed by the federal government pulling all EV tax credits including the bartering of CARB credits. Then the free market will pick the winners.

 

[CaptainGizmo]

Just saw a video of a 2025 Newell recently with a Cummins X15N.

And FYI, Newell’s production is low enough to still allow them to sell to these restricted states, e.g. Cali.

 

[Neal]

Is this CARB act going to affect campgrounds or only sales? For example any impact on locations like Desert Shores @sheridany??

 

[Voyageurs]

Is this CARB act going to affect campgrounds or only sales? For example any impact on locations like Desert Shores @sheridany??

I would think some of these coach only campgrounds might have to change their business model a bit.

Maybe start thinking about adding more robust electric systems so they can add 19.2 KW (100 amp) pedestals for more robust L2 charging of EV motorhomes. They are coming.

 

[sheridany]

@Neal I don’t think it will but time will tell. Better said it hasn’t yet. There are a lot of factors to consider in the state and at the federal level so I am taking the position of wait and see. Prevost conversions, like Newell, convert a small number of buses annually so they aren’t subject to the same requirements. Like I say time will tell.

 

[Neal]

I would think some of these coach only campgrounds might have to change their business model a bit.

Maybe start thinking about adding more robust electric systems so they can add 19.2 KW (100 amp) pedestals for more robust L2 charging of EV motorhomes. They are coming.

You would think the states taking action against diesel would lead the effort and set an example for a way forward.

 

[Voyageurs]

You would think the states taking action against diesel would lead the effort and set an example for a way forward.

Yah for sure. But really until EV truck chassid manufacturers start selling their EV truck chassis to integrators like Newmar or maybe Super C manufacturers the chances of seeing electric super C or other EV motorhomes is slim. Teslas only produces about 110 semis a year right now and that won’t change until the new Nevada semi line comes on line in first quarter 2026. And even then every single chassis is pre-sold for at least 5 years.

I can see the smaller 5 ton chassis being adapted first to RV’s. There are a bunch of manufacturers making those. We see them in town here often.

 

[Diesel Pusher]

I read somewhere today Oregon will delay implementation of ACT until 2026 so 2025 DPs will still be available for sale

edit: found the info Oregon to temporarily delay zero-emission trucks rules

 

[turbopilot]

I read somewhere today Oregon will delay implementation of ACT until 2026 so 2025 DPs will still be available for sale

edit: found the info Oregon to temporarily delay zero-emission trucks rules

Not good news for to turn back California RV ban.

Supreme Court declines to hear case on California emissions waiver

The U.S. Supreme Court declined to review a lawsuit by 17 states that argued California’s vehicle emissions waiver was unconstitutional. The decision is another legal victory ...

www.fleetowner.com

 

[sanda]

We have nuclear powered ships, imagine the day when autos have nuclear power. With the advent of EV which is spreading fast, maybe micro nuclear power devices will be the next best thing and do away with all of the batteries, weight, etc.

I personally have no interest in a EV right now but when shopping for a new car the engine powered options may be more limited. I can't believe how many EV/Hybrid options I'm seeing now.

I went shopping for a hybrid last week. 2025 Durango hybrid was priced at 79k. After tax credits and factory rebates price was 61k. Range on battery power was 30 miles and required overnight charging on 110v to gain 30 miles again. Sitting next to it was an identical Durango non hybrid for 37k after negotiating. 24k difference to feel like your really making a difference is a high price to pay. I also checked the Lexus hybrid and they had a whopping 37 mile range on battery. Can you guess which one I bought?

 

[Voyageurs]

I went shopping for an ev last week. 2025 Durango ev was priced at 79k. After tax credits and factory rebates price was 61k. Range on battery power was 30 miles and required overnight charging on 110v to gain 30 miles again. Sitting next to it was an identical Durango non ev for 37k after negotiating. 24k difference to feel like your really making a difference is a high price to pay. I also checked the Lexus ev and they had a whopping 37 mile range on battery. Can you guess which one I bought?

Those were hybrids. Always crazy priced.