CA strikes again with CARB ACT

[MarkMaxPayne]

https://www.rvtravel.com/breaking-motorhome-market-crisis-california-rules-shutting-sales-6-states/

Thanks @Diesel Pusher. Same authors had this update a couple of days later: https://www.rvtravel.com/rv-industry-responds-6-state-motorhome-ban-controversy/

RVIA also now has this fact sheet: California’s “Ban” On Motorhomes: What You Need To Know

Best,
-Mark

 

[turbopilot]

For those not following California news, Newson is moving to DEFCON 1 with the political changes this week. While RV's are just a tiny piece of the emerging conflicts with California, it is probably safe to assume there is not going to be any compromise soon on an issue so fundamental to the power structure of the state.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4979232-california-special-session-trump/

 

[MarkMaxPayne]

And this article today in Camper Report: Will California Ban New Motorhome Sales in 2025?

Best,
-Mark

 

[Neal]

This is pretty much all over the Internet now so we'll see how this plays out. Vendors affected are obviously going to have to take this to court.

 

[redbaron]

Vendors going to court doesn’t solve the problem.

Citizens and individuals are the ones with standing , even more so than the vendors.

It just takes one person to sue the CARB to get this thing unraveled. It has to be an individual with standing (aka live in a state bound by CARB) who is willing to spend personal funds for justice.

Lawyers will tell you that a person who sues for justice is a fool about to lose money, so it would also have to be someone willing to be called a fool and lose money.

Done properly and with enough media attention, go fund me and other revenue streams would open up.

It would be great if a platform existed that would encourage citizens to take a stand for principles and to finally go after the crooks in power that profit from their version of how we should live.

I personally have no standing. My businesses that are in affected states also have no standing due to the fact that we title our vehicles in other states.

 

[turbopilot]

Vendors going to court doesn’t solve the problem.

Citizens and individuals are the ones with standing , even more so than the vendors.

It just takes one person to sue the CARB to get this thing unraveled. It has to be an individual with standing (aka live in a state bound by CARB) who is willing to spend personal funds for justice.

Lawyers will tell you that a person who sues for justice is a fool about to lose money, so it would also have to be someone willing to be called a fool and lose money.

Done properly and with enough media attention, go fund me and other revenue streams would open up.

It would be great if a platform existed that would encourage citizens to take a stand for principles and to finally go after the crooks in power that profit from their version of how we should live.

I personally have no standing. My businesses that are in affected states also have no standing due to the fact that we title our vehicles in other states.

Correct. This problem will only be solved by those people and companies who live and do business in California. 58% of the voters in California keep voting in politicians who make these foolish decisions. Until that changes they win and if you want to buy a new diesel pusher in California you are out of luck. What the majority of citizens in California don't understand is that this foolishness does not stop with a ban on certain RV's.

 

[Diesel Pusher]

What the majority of citizens in California don't understand is that this foolishness does not stop with a ban on certain RV's.

The fallout is expanding. Ford has recently announced it will stop selling certain F series super duty trucks in California, the ones that tow large 5th wheels and travel trailers. https://www.rvtravel.com/ford-super-duty-trucks-longer-sale-california/

 

[redbaron]

This will include all dually 1 ton pickups. This not only affects the RV world, but the horse world and the hot shot workers that are crucial to the warehouse to job site delivery final mile.

The impacts are going to be much larger than anyone has imagined as it will affect 100% of the citizens in the CARB states.

 

[BGMAC]

There is something I saw on the internet about this. It seems that the states have to get approval from the EPA to do this. That approval (my understanding) has not been given, but was “letting it go” because the current gov is really pushing EV’s. It looks like new government policies next year is to stop the EV mandates and possible stop what California and the others from doing this mandate.

Sorry, I’m doing the from memory so I can’t remember all the details.

 

[CaptainGizmo]

Correct. This problem will only be solved by those people and companies who live and do business in California. 58% of the voters in California keep voting in politicians who make these foolish decisions. Until that changes they win and if you want to buy a new diesel pusher in California you are out of luck. What the majority of citizens in California don't understand is that this foolishness does not stop with a ban on certain RV's.

It's so hard to talk about this governmental mandate without talking about fighting or mitigating it politically. But, I'm asking that you please help us fight like the guy in the video says, by contact your Representatives. We don't want this spilling over onto more states.

I'm hoping that Trump is able to rescind this, and other mandates. I can't imagine being a California dealer, like Tom Lindstrom, who's RV business was almost entirely built upon the Newmar diesel line! He got out at the right time.

I'm just as afraid of the potential increased scrutiny that will be placed upon the "out of state" registrations. Because you can guarantee that's going to be the ONLY avenue someone has in these 6 states.