New to Forum w a question on tow rating

[Visioneer]

Hola everyone!
I just signed up on the Forum to ask about my buying an Entegra Vision XL. Looking at the XL tow rating of 5000#, and then the GVWR of a typical Ford Bronco or Jeep Wrangler Rubicon- both exceed the 5000# tow rating.
So, my question is: What cars, SUV’s are Entegra owners towing? Are you just not towing even medium sized SUV’s?

 

[DennisT]

Not an Entegra but we have a 22 Jeep Cherokee that we tow.

They are making them again but not sure if the new ones are towable.

 

[Rollin Ollen]

Hola everyone!
I just signed up on the Forum to ask about my buying an Entegra Vision XL. Looking at the XL tow rating of 5000#, and then the GVWR of a typical Ford Bronco or Jeep Wrangler Rubicon- both exceed the 5000# tow rating.
So, my question is: What cars, SUV’s are Entegra owners towing? Are you just not towing even medium sized SUV’s?

I think the only Wrangler that weighs in at over 5000 is the 4 door 392. Official 2024 Wrangler Curb Weights - by doors / motor / transmission

 

[Holdmybeer]

The tow rating isn't fixed. It's established by subtracting your coach gross vehicle weight ( gvw) from your "fixed" gross combined vehicle weight ( gcvw). For example if your gvwr is 18,000 lbs and your vehicle is rated for a gcvw of 23,000 lbs your towing capacity would be 5,000 lbs. ( 23,000 - 18,000). If your actual gvw is 17,000 lbs then you could theoretically tow 6,000 lbs. ( 23,000 - 17,000 = 6,000). The caveat being however your receiver hitch rating, but receiver hitches can be changed.
Otherwise, If you're only talking about a few hundred lbs. I wouldn't worry about it regardless.

 

[SGilbert]

The fudge factor is very likely in your favor!
Don't forget, you are not towing a trailer that has a tongue weight; very little downward force on the rear when flat towing; the hangup is pull weight and stopping power.

 

[osuallen]

The tow rating isn't fixed. It's established by subtracting your coach gross vehicle weight ( gvw) from your "fixed" gross combined vehicle weight ( gcvw). For example if your gvwr is 18,000 lbs and your vehicle is rated for a gcvw of 23,000 lbs your towing capacity would be 5,000 lbs. ( 23,000 - 18,000). If your actual gvw is 17,000 lbs then you could theoretically tow 6,000 lbs. ( 23,000 - 17,000 = 6,000). The caveat being however your receiver hitch rating, but receiver hitches can be changed.
Otherwise, If you're only talking about a few hundred lbs. I wouldn't worry about it regardless.

However, that all goes out the window if your hitch rating is 5k.

 

[Wemustrv]

Welcome to RVforums. We are glad you are here.

 

[Visioneer]

However, that all goes out the window if your hitch rating is 5k.

Hello HMB-
Thanks for the info! It looks like the only thing that would be needed is a hitch change-out if the tow car is over the 5k# limit. Thanks…

 

[Vint]

Hello HMB-
Thanks for the info! It looks like the only thing that would be needed is a hitch change-out if the tow car is over the 5k# limit. Thanks…

Some Class 3 hitches will be attached to the vehicle frame with 4 bolts, some with 6, and some might be more securely attached to the vehicle than that. Look under your rig and check out how stoutly your hitch is attached to your rig. As was posted above, if only a couple of hundred pounds over the 5K number, I wouldn't worry about it if it were me. Also, as posted above, you are towing with minimal down weight on the hitch vs a trailer of some sort with the usual 10% weight down force on the hitch.

If you would feel safer with a more robust setup, you don't need to swap out your hitch. Take your RV to a local welding shop and have them reinforce the hitch with spot welds. It won't go anywhere, then even if towing 10K pounds.

Another thing to remember with tow ratings, say a 5K lb. rating vs 10K lb., is the engine and transmission setup of the tow vehicle. I'm surprised your new Entergra-Jayco doesn't have a 6K pound rating, which is pretty common with today's Ford chassis gas motorhomes with the newer V8 engine.

 

[Holdmybeer]

Welding a 5,000 lb. rated hitch does not increase its rating. There are other factors involved in the rating such as thickness and grade of the tubing. The newer V8 and the older V10 use the same Torqshift 6 spd. tran. that's why towing capacity remains the same.