Recommendation for Montana LLC

[Stuart W]

Thanks Stuart. I shouldn’t have made a blanket statement rather than being more clear that it was a couple years ago in which there was such a strong admonition to a Californian, that you’d be a fool to have gone around their advice.

They’ve since put in some very strong language that will advise you, and exonerate them, should you pursue states that are on the LLC crackdown.

Especially in the states restricted from selling Diesel motorhomes starting in model year 2025. I’m sure LLC’s have been used to skirt Diesel no sale states. This involves a totally different set of issues

 

[redbaron]

Especially in the states restricted from selling Diesel motorhomes starting in model year 2025. I’m sure LLC’s have been used to skirt Diesel no sale states. This involves a totally different set of issues

Does any state prohibit it or plan to? The federal government has already told states they don’t have that authority. Wasn’t sure if there is still ongoing litigation or if this has been resolved?

 

[Stuart W]

Does any state prohibit it or plan to? The federal government has already told states they don’t have that authority. Wasn’t sure if there is still ongoing litigation or if this has been resolved?

Good question, I believe California still has its own standards, I know that last August when I purchased my 2025 it was not for sale in California

 

[Stuart W]

I can only find info on the rollout of the ACT, and that some states were trying to delay its start date. I find nothing about the ACT being canceled.

 

[redbaron]

news: US EPA announces ‘historic’ rollback of air emissions regulations

dieselnet.com

This is what I found that summarizes the changes made and intended to be made. Not sure how hard it is to get the horse back in the barn so to speak, especially in a state that may be against the rollback. I’m sure that dealers in the affected states are going to wait for clarity and any pending legal actions.

 

[Stuart W]

news: US EPA announces ‘historic’ rollback of air emissions regulations

dieselnet.com

This is what I found that summarizes the changes made and intended to be made. Not sure how hard it is to get the horse back in the barn so to speak, especially in a state that may be against the rollback. I’m sure that dealers in the affected states are going to wait for clarity and any pending legal actions.

I’m curious to see an MSRP on a 26 Newmar pusher to see if the $13K, approximately California chassis charge still is a thing

 

[Stuart W]

This is on a 2026 Newmar

 

[Stuart W]

Ok so now I’m more confused, here are two actual MSRP’s on a California lot
One has the CARB compliant charge and one does not
Maybe the one with the charge was made prior to a rollback of the regulation?

 

[CaptainGizmo]

Stuart, seriously…if you’re trying to figure out ANYTHING regarding the CARB and EPA, you’re just burning up brain cells!!!

There’s probably so many parameters such as GVW and datelines that you’ll go nuts attempting to understand for make sense of it.

I had a buddy who had to deal with the EPA and he said it was unbelievably frustrating…UNTIL HE WENT ON TO DEAL WITH CARB! He said the “suits” of CARB outnumber and make the EPA look like preschool!

Encouraging…ain’t it!?

Remember Tom throwing it in? Who can blame him!

 

[redbaron]

I’m curious to see an MSRP on a 26 Newmar pusher to see if the $13K, approximately California chassis charge still is a thing

The newest epa engines from Cummins is a real thing. The R&D money was allocated and spent 3 years ago and tooling began before the EPA changed its mind.

The cost per engine is going to be high, and the consumer desire will be low.

Cummins could alter the engine to remove the constraints and DEF, but that will increase the costs. I can see where it will also increase consumer demand.

I might jump at the chance to have a 750HP engine with no DEF for a $20k increase.

 

[JRS]

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We're full timers and they were great to work with in Sept 2019. Get the toad set up too so that both are MT plates. Used them for 1.5yrs when we went back to Florida (our domicile state) and had no problems at all. It's a great option for full timers who don't own a stick and bricks house.
Florida DMV had no issues switching from the LLC when registering the vehicles.

 

[davidndeb]

I have personally been targeted by one of the states I live in for Montana Plates. For me, it was a pretty easy ordeal and all handled roadside without the need to visit the local tax office or deal with the state.

The primary reason the state troopers are pulling over the MT plates is they are expecting to find an LLC, and then they will interrogate them.

I was driving a truck with the local state plates on it, pulling a 45Ft flatbed trailer with MT plates. I had the paperwork for the trailer showing it registered in my name, that matched my driver's license (not MT). That ended the inquiry.

Getting plates with an LLC name behind it will become an issue for drivers in states that charge a vehicle sales tax or registration fee annually.

The first requirement of getting a MT registration is to establish a domicile. This means that you either own or rent property in the state and pay utilities, property taxes, and have a bank & credit card for the address. Having those properties in an LLC is another legal way to own a vehicle in the same LLC but will be subject to more scrutiny.

When the plates are run and the name matches the driver's license, the inquiry ends immediately, and no further actions are taken roadside.

I haven't heard a word about police targeting Montana plates to interrogate drivers. Has anyone here been stopped just for having Montana plates?
Since its legal to have Montana plates, where's the probable cause for the stop?

 

[Holdmybeer]

I haven't heard a word about police targeting Montana plates to interrogate drivers. Has anyone here been stopped just for having Montana plates?
Since its legal to have Montana plates, where's the probable cause for the stop?

Welcome to the internet.

 

[CaptainGizmo]

Can’t give you stats, but I can provide you with the reason for concern.

Report Out-of-State Registration Violators

www.chp.ca.gov

Probable cause? Well…“Welcome to Narc on your Neighbor”.

And the only reason why ALPR isn’t being used is the Privacy issue.

 

[Boat Bum]

Can’t give you stats, but I can provide you with the reason for concern.

Report Out-of-State Registration Violators

www.chp.ca.gov

Probable cause? Well…“Welcome to Narc on your Neighbor”.

And the only reason why ALPR isn’t being used is the Privacy issue.

Recommendation for Montana LLC