RV Industry Faces Worst Spending Slump Since The Great Recession

[cptqueeg]

I have a deposit w Peak Mtn Camps for a 10/2027 build date for a travel trailer. The war hit and they apparently lost a years worth of orders in a matter of months. I haven't signed yet, but looks like it'll be a 10/2026 build.

 

[TR25]

I started out as a tool and diemaker, went through my apprenticeship. The owner of my company came out with a product that revolutionized the chip lead market.
He was a genius. The die stamped 12 parts per stroke and we built 3 main dies that ran 24/5 and still could not keep up.
He took that small company global.
Its not the workers, its the greedy profit takers. He was making tons of money but it was not enough.

Sounds like you are a collectivist, union guy. If that's the case, your wages and growth are not based on your performance, rather the time spent at the job...and often, who you friends/family are. That's common and outsiders often can't get into union places of employement unless they have 'friends/family' there or are a union member at another facility. "Legacy jobs" is also a term used to describe such workers as they get in due to their relatives working there, thus controlling who can work at such a facility.

Sounds like the owner was a real sharp guy. What he did addressed a huge demand and even so, they could not keep up.

From a business POV, there are a lot of considerations to running a business. Having union/govt family/relatives members, I know a bit about them. And worked alongside of them. Well, I worked while most of them didn't.
One job in steamboat springs, taking the elevator from the basement with our materials up to the floor we were working on, it had to be operated by a teamster. When he wasn't on break, he had a chair in the back and sat there. We told him the floor we needed to go to and he took his highly trained wooden stick and pushed that button. When he was there, that was his job. And per contract, no one else could do it. So it was often faster to just carry the materials up ourselves 3-5 flights of stairs.
Union glazers mostly showed up, looked around, stood around and talked for a while, then left. Carpenters union reps must have had holes in their pockets as there always seemed to be roofing nails in the parking lots after they left the non unionized construction job. Weird.

I'd see the electrician's union picketing a jobsite. It was interesting as the people holding the signs were about 5ft nothing and didn't speak english. Saw that again in another state, but it was white HS kids. I told them they were getting paid to do that as the union members were out working where they could make more money. They didn't get it.

Healthcare in a lot of VA clinics are substandard because of the high turnover of docs/PAs and nurses. The main reason is the rules are strict as to what the nurses can and cannot do. So the nurses skills go stale and the Doc/PAs get overworked with admin work the nurses should be doing. Or a more clerical, non union employee.

I was at a va once for a few weeks and they had a leaky showe faucet. It was an easy fix, but I was told they had put in a lot of requests to have it done, but never got done. I said I could do it and they told me not to as they'd get into trouble.

An overnight maint union guy would spend most of his time sleeping in the waiting areas. Again, no one could do anything about it, so the nurses would kick the back of the sofa/chair he was sleeping in as they walked by.

Why did the teamster's retirement fund go broke and need to take money from me/us to bail them out? Same w/the uaw. Why did we have to pay for their retirement/healthcare? I have relatives in both mind you.

There is a huge sense of entitlement union members have--entitlement to their work and a share of other people's money to be given to them. It's that "what's mine is mine, per contract, and what's yours, well I should get some of that too" mentality.

Then the productivity and quality of union workers have been substandard for decades. Since more competition was allowed to be brought in, consumers have more choices and many choose quality and price, thus union products fall short. And they then demand money from consumers in the form of bailouts to their paychecks/pensions. Or outright reimbursing the corruption of their leaders.

Right to Work is a good thing. No one should be forced to join a union in order to work. That's literally nazi germany thing (look it up, see DAP/NSDAP). And if they are allowed to opt out, money is still taken from their paychecks to be funneled to the unions. That is corruption.

Let workers be free to work where they want.
Let employers hire who they want.
Let employers be free to locate their businesses wherever they want.
Let people be free, free from the heavy hands of threats, violence, extortion, etc.

 

[TR25]

Its not the workers, its the greedy profit takers. He was making tons of money but it was not enough.
BTW he recently passed at like 98, Blackrock owns the global corporation now.
So you guys can say boomers did the damage and you are only partially right. Its the greedy corporations that destroyed US manufacturing.
To quote Springsteen.............Those boys did what Hitler couldn't do

So you will work for minimum wage? Any davis bacon wages are way above the standard wage, you will refuse those?
You will also refuse any gold plated benefit and retirement packages if they are above the industry sector standards?
Or are you "greedy"?
Why is greed defined by some as wanting to keep your own money, but greed is not wanting to take the money of other people?

Lawsuits in various forms have been injurious to us based businesses, manufacturing. Be it personal injury or more likely, environmental. I've had customers who had manufacturing in the US who moved to mexico due to the silly environmental rules they had to abide by in the usa. There are whole industries of people making a living creating rules, monitoring the compliance, then seeking cash/punishment for those who do not comply. It's self sustaining now.

Also, look at how business owners are looked at by the most vocal these days. They are targets as they have been successful. And being successful is a punishable offense these days. Weird isn't it? One would think that would be aspired to. But they are targets of people wanting to take their money/wealth for themselves and give a portion of that to their supporters.

There's a reason why businesses, large and small, have been leaving some areas of this nation to others, areas not like them. You can call it "greed", but a business is in business to make money, not to give jobs to people and give them as much money as possible.
The only entity that does not have a requirement to make money, to be profitable is govt. And they can only be like that because they have the police power to force confiscation of whatever money they need in order to continue.
This is why FDR said govt workers should never be allowed to unionize btw.

Bruce springsteen? the billionaire tax cheat? He's a 'farmer in NJ' to avoid paying property taxes.......

 

[Underboss]

So you will work for minimum wage? Any davis bacon wages are way above the standard wage, you will refuse those?
You will also refuse any gold plated benefit and retirement packages if they are above the industry sector standards?
Or are you "greedy"?
Why is greed defined by some as wanting to keep your own money, but greed is not wanting to take the money of other people?

Lawsuits in various forms have been injurious to us based businesses, manufacturing. Be it personal injury or more likely, environmental. I've had customers who had manufacturing in the US who moved to mexico due to the silly environmental rules they had to abide by in the usa. There are whole industries of people making a living creating rules, monitoring the compliance, then seeking cash/punishment for those who do not comply. It's self sustaining now.

Also, look at how business owners are looked at by the most vocal these days. They are targets as they have been successful. And being successful is a punishable offense these days. Weird isn't it? One would think that would be aspired to. But they are targets of people wanting to take their money/wealth for themselves and give a portion of that to their supporters.

There's a reason why businesses, large and small, have been leaving some areas of this nation to others, areas not like them. You can call it "greed", but a business is in business to make money, not to give jobs to people and give them as much money as possible.
The only entity that does not have a requirement to make money, to be profitable is govt. And they can only be like that because they have the police power to force confiscation of whatever money they need in order to continue.
This is why FDR said govt workers should never be allowed to unionize btw.

Bruce springsteen? the billionaire tax cheat? He's a 'farmer in NJ' to avoid paying property taxes.......

Wow, not even gonna waste my time reading this drivel. You clearly need a hobby because 45 posts a day here the length of war and peace.......well...... Not sure when I said I was a union guy but thats what you do, you assume, just like assuming when you see a byline on fox.
I never stated we could not keep up. We could have built ten more dies. He did not go global because of production. He went global for slave labor. And thats his right. But you, this is where you are a hypocrite. On the other thread you slam "mexicans" as unskilled or lacking the same abilites as Americans. So over there you have an issue with labor that may take your kids job. But here, here, you think its not an issue to ship jobs overseas so the corporation can make even more of a profit.
A profit that I have no issue with him making, but you cannot be mr american, white person is the only superior skilled being and here be the opposite.
And on top of it all, after you having no issue with shipping jobs overseas and companies cutting american workers and saving taxes, you, and this is great, you want to attack a guy who literally bought a farm, grows food and donates it all to the local food banks. That you have a problem with.
I do not think I will be wasting my time with someone whose main goal here is to stir the pot.
One last thing, you can troll someone else. I cut my own path. I know that part of my post did not fit your agenda so you ignored it.
I cut my path, owned a few businesses, and had the ability to be the super in charge of building a 62 story building in mid manhattan. I am not sure what you have accomplished but I sleep well knowing I respected all nationalities and never thought less of any, including hispanics. Good luck

 

[JBright11]

I thought I had missed a contest announcement.

 

[TR25]

Wow, not even gonna waste my time reading this drivel. You clearly need a hobby because 45 posts a day here the length of war and peace

Well that reply certainly was a wall of text but I won't be condescending and label it in a derrogative manner just because I may or may not agree with it. But that's just me and how I roll.

I've lived in mexico twice and worked and lived w/them in the usa for 20 some years. So I can just go off of my living and working experiences. As you didn't read what you discounted, I won't have to elaborate at how things actually are.

I used to make a lot of money fixing what illegals worked on. Sometimes working for financial contracts, I got to repair a house they lived in so it could be put on the market. It was always amusing some of the stuff they did. I'd see simpson stuff used where they did nothing really, but I know they came from a jobsite. They didn't know how to use them, but saw them being used, so that's what they did.

"Saving face" is huge in mexican culture. I'm sure you know that. And a thinker might be able to see how that expresses itself in every day situations a person can wind up in. Like needing to build/fix something in the house for example.

When we moved to a place that wasn't all mexicans on jobsites, we had to have our cable repaired as it wasn't buried deep enough first time. I was friendly to the white american duo and told them I'd be back in a half an hour or so if they needed anything.

Came back sooner and they were already gone. Well, turns out they only buried it a few inches down then quickly left. Had rework done. This time 2 mexicans were sent there. They buried it to the correct depth. I wasn't surprised at either outcome.

There are nuances there and in a lot of what I share. People who aren't very familiar with what I'm talking about and/or don't have a lot of 'diverse' experiences in life often are blind to those. Thus they miss a whole lot. You must miss them because you never read other posts as lengthy as your own.

 

[TR25]

On the other thread you slam "mexicans" as unskilled or lacking the same abilites as Americans. So over there you have an issue with labor that may take your kids job.

Labor jobs are by definition, unskilled or low skilled jobs. Eastern europeans are better immigrants, job prospect wise, as they speak english and have a great educational background. Last I knew, the illiteracy rate in mexico was around 72%. It's hard to get someone up to speed who cannot speak the language, or even read their native language. Schools in the usa have found that to be a problem too as ther's no 'basis' to build on.
I liked working with the polish, ukrainians and russians. All had a good educational foundation and many even had technical training back in their country, some more advanced that the usa workers. And they could communicate as they spoke and read english.

Culture says a lot about a people. Not all cultures are equal. Some lend a lot of value while others, not as much or even can be detrimental to any growth and development. So some people come here with a pretty well equipped toolbox while others don't even have a toolbox to begin with.

Frankly, I've always gotten along better with mexicans than I have white americans. I have a lot more in common with them as far as background, culture, and values. Spent last christmas with a mexican family come to think of it.

 

[TR25]

But here, here, you think its not an issue to ship jobs overseas so the corporation can make even more of a profit.

a lot of different things in your war and peace level post, so I'm breaking it out into different response posts to make it easier reading for everyone and hopefully keeping a discussion going on a logical and rational path.

A business has the right to leave the usa and locate elsewhere. It's their business, literally. But being a nationalist, if businesses outside of the usa want to sell their goods inside the usa, then they should have to pay a tariff. They should pay that beause they do not do their manufacturing in the usa, but use the infrastructure that jobs in the usa help pay for. Manufacturing also has the highest job and income mulitiplier.
So he can move to china or chad for all I care. But his products entering the usa will be subject to a tariff, something I'd call an access fee. He can access what we have, but he'll have to pay for that access.

The american worker has been hit by the double edged sword. What jobs can be shipped 'offshore', will be. And what jobs can't be offshored, well, cheaper labor will be brought in to work those jobs.

Cesar chavez was virulently anti illegal immigration. He knew that he could never form the united farmworkers union as long as illegals would keep coming in and businesses would hire them.

I'll admit I'm a direct person. My character. But I try not to attack the personal character of another. Please do likewise. Usually when I use adjectives, terms like "lazy", it's talking about someone in the third person for example and it's connected to an example(s).

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

I had to scroll back to see what the topic was.

 

[cptqueeg]

^^^I had to find the ignore button.