CA strikes again with CARB ACT

[ARD]

CA Air Resources Board passes an amendment to ACT last week regarding combustion engines that will restrict the registration of motorhomes in 6 states: California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts effective 2025.

 

[GTS225]

I wonder..........does the CARB have the authority to do such things?
Consider.....the BATFE has made rules that carry the weight of law, without actually having the authority from Congress to do so, and has gotten away with it until recently. This practice was challenged a few years ago, and courts found that they did not have the authority, and struck down this practice.

It might be beneficial for Californians to investigate this, and if the state legislature has never granted the authority to CARB to make rules that carry the weight of law, then any and all rules they've made are illegitimate.

Just sayin'.....Roger

 

[Rich W.]

I wonder..........does the CARB have the authority to do such things?
Consider.....the BATFE has made rules that carry the weight of law, without actually having the authority from Congress to do so, and has gotten away with it until recently. This practice was challenged a few years ago, and courts found that they did not have the authority, and struck down this practice.

It might be beneficial for Californians to investigate this, and if the state legislature has never granted the authority to CARB to make rules that carry the weight of law, then any and all rules they've made are illegitimate.

Just sayin'.....Roger

This is just about impossible to address without making political references, but I’ll give it a shot.

CARB has co-opted the DMV with the blessing of Gavin Nuisance so this and other rulings like it result in the DMV either holding registration hostage pending compliance, or in this case apparently, denying registration entirely. The problem with challenging this is that there is no powerful lobbying or litigating entity concerned with such a small segment of society.

I tried getting the attention of FMCA, leaders from the Senate and House RV Caucus, and other so-called advocate groups to address to the unreasonable hardship placed on RV owners by the DEF debacle and while I got on a lot of junk email lists, I got no specific response from anyone.

We are simply not important in the public policy arena and thus get swept up in regulations aimed at much larger segments of the transportation industry, while our impact is near zero by comparison, especially with modern emissions systems that are very nearly pollution free. This is all a result of misguided policy fueled by a philosophical agenda based on extremely questionable concepts (to put it delicately) with no regard for the impact on the consumer, the industry, jobs, etc.

I feel for our Newmar dealerships here and in the other affected states.

 

[Neal]

It seems to be the RV "automotive" industry, i.e. Newmar/Winnebago, and all of those affected need to be making the efforts, along with FL / SP. Good luck pushing that brick wall!

Edit:

Obviously this severely impacts dealers in the affected states. I was thinking if buyers are just going to purchase across state lines. Will they be able to register their new vehicle in their home/affected state?

 

[Scooterfan]

Good try Rich but it IS political. Most of what the current leadership in CA does is either illegal or unethical. But for now they have a long leash as the voters in this state have elected to live under these conditions. It defies all logic...what many experts will tell you, is that an RV carrying the amount to electrical power to push them down the road will weigh so much, the roads will be destroyed beyond the current condition (which is not good). The voting majority in CA have "LEFT" common sense behind and this beautiful state is being hijacked. Sorry for the rant Neil, and I understand if you banish me, but truth is truth so help me GOD. Blessings

 

[Rich W.]

It seems to be the RV "automotive" industry, i.e. Newmar/Winnebago, and all of those affected need to be making the efforts, along with FL / SP. Good luck pushing that brick wall!

Edit:

Obviously this severely impacts dealers in the affected states. I was thinking if buyers are just going to purchase across state lines. Will they be able to register their new vehicle in their home/affected state?

If past practice is any indication the answer is a resounding NO! Under the rules of the Clean Truck Check, the DMV would not process my registration until I had the check done ($150) and paid a “compliance fee” of $30 (even though I was in compliance…?).

Overview Fact Sheet-Clean Truck Check | California Air Resources Board

Clean Truck Check (Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Regulation): Overview of Program Requirements March 13, 2024 This Fact Sheet presents an overview of the requirements of Clean Truck Check.

ww2.arb.ca.gov

So my guess is they will not allow these vehicles to be registered in the affected states, at least not in Ca. Interesting to consider all the sales tax and other revenues the state will lose - a state that’s already running a multi-billion dollar deficit.

 

[Diesel Pusher]

This will increase LLC registrations in the states that still allow. Another option would be to use Escapees and register in Texas like many full-timers do now. If I still lived in California, I'd seriouly consider an LLC or Escapees Texas registration and use rented storage; maybe even remove the plates when not traveling.

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

But for now they have a long leash as the voters in this state have elected to live under these conditions.

Actually, it's the voters of the Los Angeles/San Francisco/Sacramento areas who control the state - the rest of the state is simply ignored...

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

This is mind-boggling. Does this also mean that if you own a motorhome now, you will not be able to register it in one of the named states? Does it pertain to only new motorhome purchases? What about buying an older motorhome?

I'm afraid this will move more left coasters to Texas!

 

[GlampDaddy]

I'm afraid this will move more left coasters to Texas!

Aaargh! There's already too many lefties in Texas!