CA strikes again with CARB ACT

[Rollin Ollen]

So let me chime in on whether this thread is politics or not, etc. etc.



While some in the thread threw in some humor and pushed the lines, so be it, enjoy some humor, lighten up, we are here to have fun first and foremost but also discuss serious topics such as this. It's been educational and informative, we learned it could be expanding among other states and the power of crowd sourcing information about this is a great asset

I'd like to add a little levity to the thread. See my photos. A first Hybrid V10 motorhome. And NO it is not a real Hybrid. We used to live on Vancouver Island in Canada. Victoria is full of Eco Rabid folk. I often got a hard time when filling the tank with gasoline until I added the Hybrid emblem. I just pointed it out and was usually patted on the back for being so forward thinking in my purchasing. Just my way of thumbing my nose at the eco creeps. Seriously, I have had people knock on my door asking me about the Hybrid's performance!


Darrell

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

I'm always professional except sometimes when I'm not. Point taken.

Let us return to our normal program now in progress.

 

[Rich W.]

I’m sure a bunch of randos on an RV forum know better that policy experts hired by our elected representatives.

Absolutely no doubt there. Our elected officials here are gleefully shooting the electorate in the foot. The examples are endless. So if that makes me a Rando ( new term for me) I’ll wear it proudly.

And let’s face it - the “policy experts” at the top (such as at CARB for instance) are almost always unqualified cronies. I’ve seen it first hand at the highest levels of Ca govt.

Edit: Rando: noun. ran·do ˈran-(ˌ)dō plural randos. slang, often disparaging. : a random person : a person who is not known or recognizable or whose appearance (as in a conversation or narrative) seems unprompted or unwelcome.

Yeah, I’ll take that.

 

[Rich W.]

I will personally avoid hybrid or anything that is not a traditional ICE.


Avoiding politics when discussing energy is not possible. Doing so responsibly is possible.

I have a Polaris Ranger EV and it’s very practical for my uses - only goes 30mph but wont set the fields on fire with hot exhaust, my solar charges it, and it gets around the ranch very well. Also have a good selection of lithium powered Stihl equipment - works just fine and it’s really nice to get away from 2 stroke maintenance. That said, an over the road EV would be a giant stretch for me.

Also I was amused one day last year when Gavin Nuisance came out with his latest EV mandate and just a few minutes later on the news the ISO requested that users reduce electricity usage due to high demand and insufficient supply. They clearly don’t get it and it’s all based on misguided notions, but we are stuck with it for the foreseeable future.

 

[GUS2000]

I am confident that I am much smarter than many of the people making decisions when it comes to spending my personal money.

Most people in a position of creating policy do so to line the pockets of their financial backers. They are doing so in the interest of a select group, and ignoring the common person. This is not limited to the energy sector, but pretty much any area where influence is purchased.

The view that a bunch of random independent thinkers going against the grain, and saying things that are not part of the way we are being told to think is less than those that are paid to make statements is well...just purely beyond my scope of comprehension.

My default position is to question "why". After I question "why", then I question who is benefiting. It can be an onion at times, with multiple layers, and often I just give up and go with my gut and find that I am happier living my life that goes against the way those that are paid the dollars to tell me how to live suggest that I do.

I have nothing against those that want to follow the herd mentality, or follow the rules put out by paid experts.

what do you know? youre just an owner

 

[Joe Dutchstar]

Unfortunately this will end Newmar's business. The west coast is a major market for high-end diesel motorhomes. The dealership support network will slowly become repair shops only.
There will be temporary work arounds for those that are willing to skirt the law but that does not amount to many.
Unfortunately this government interference in the RV market will again upend rational pricing. Existing chassis will become very valuable in the short term.

 

[redbaron]

Joe, I don’t think it will end Newmar or any other manufacturer. It may end Spartan, but they are already sinking.

It will cause minor stress to those with Montana, Texas, SD plates traveling thru the states affected by ACT, as there will be an assumption by LEO or DMV that this is a resident cheating.

Dealerships in Arizona, Montana, Idaho, Utah, Texas, South Dakota,Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida will see a huge bump in sales. So
Will storage facilities in these states, especially those close to a major airport with connections to the West coast.

 

[DennisT]

Some of the states, New York for one that I read about are already going after them for using the Montana LLCs to dodge taxes in their home state.

Other than CA I think some of these may fall by the wayside when the lawsuits start flying. Going to cause residents major headaches and, hopefully, they won’t stand for it.

Will be interesting to watch for sure.

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

They are currently running at a $30 billion deficit, I guess a few more billion won't matter.

 

[Joe Dutchstar]

ACT is much more of an issue for the trucking business as the vast majority of goods in the USA move by truck. The Economic impact of demanding ZEV where very few ZEV are available will cause damage to the economy nation wide.
Is this political ploy? Maybe they are trying to cause issues if the wrong party wins on Tuesday?

Here is a comment from the WWW:

CARB Diesel Truck Ban Impact​

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) ban on non-zero-emission vehicles (ZEV) starting in 2025 will significantly affect logistics and supply chain operations in California. Key implications include:

• Limited diesel truck options: By 2026, only CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks will be available for purchase in California. This will restrict the supply of traditional diesel-powered trucks, making it challenging for logistics companies to replace or upgrade their fleets.
• Increased costs: CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks are likely to be more expensive than traditional diesel trucks, which may lead to higher operating costs for logistics companies.
• Fleet modernization: To comply with the regulations, logistics companies will need to upgrade their fleets to ZEV diesel trucks, which may require significant investments in new vehicles, infrastructure, and training.
• Port and intermodal yard requirements: All drayage trucks entering California seaports and intermodal railyards will need to be ZEV by 2035. This will require logistics companies to ensure their trucks meet these requirements, potentially impacting their operations and supply chain efficiency.
• Regional and national implications: The ban’s expansion to five additional states (Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts) in 2025 will affect logistics companies operating across state lines, as they may need to comply with CARB regulations even if their primary operations are outside California.

 

[Rich W.]

It’s gone beyond or political or philosophical preference. It’s become a sickness, a mental illness IMHO, perpetrated by the aforementioned causes on a whole generation (and into the next) that has now entered into adulthood as decision makers with subsequent misconceptions engrained in their minds, causing misguided and damaging policy.

It’s difficult to imagine a scenario where this reverses, other than an extreme level of failure that forces the issue, and as Joe pointed out, we are unfortunately headed in that direction. Another good example is an EV mandate in a region where the grid is already insufficient for current needs. Maybe hydrogen fuel cell technology will save us from this downward spiral while satisfying the “climate calamity” folks.

It’s always fun to ask these folks what ended the last ice age to make them consider that climate change, while perhaps inconvenient, is nothing new, has always been, and always will be, because that’s what climates do.

In the mean time, just so I don’t forget who’s in charge, I get one of these every month:

Below is a summary of the current status of your CTC-VIS account:

1. Vehicle Compliance Certification Status:
a. 0 Vehicle Compliance Certification(s) were issued to your entity in the last month.
b. In total, 1 vehicle(s) are currently compliant out of 1 registered in your entity.
c. 0 of the Vehicle Compliance Certificate(s) will expire within next 90 days.

2. Compliance Fee:
a. Fees Due Soon: 0 vehicle(s) are with fee(s) due within next 90 days.
b. Fees Past Due: 0 vehicle(s) are with fee(s) already past due.
c. Expired Fee: There are 0 expired fee(s) in your Entity.

3. Periodic Test:
a. Vehicles with Test(s) Due: 0 vehicle(s) have entered their test submission period, and the test(s) will be due within next 90 days.
b. Tests Past Due: 0 vehicle(s) are with test(s) already past due.

4. Enforcement Hold:
0 vehicle(s) are currently under hold due to outstanding CARB Enforcement actions.

The status may vary from day to day, for more details and the latest status, please visit your account at https://cleantruckcheck.arb.ca.gov.

Please review the status of your vehicles to ensure that all your vehicles are compliant with the Clean Truck Check program. If you have any questions or need assistance, please contact CARB at [email protected].

Clean Truck Check Team California Air Resources Board [email protected]

 

[Joe Dutchstar]

There has been talk of food shortages for a while now. Block interstate diesel trucks from CA agriculture? Hmmm

California's US Agriculture Share​

According to various sources, including the California Department of Food and Agriculture and the University of California, Davis, California is a significant player in the US agricultural industry. Here are some key statistics:

• Value of Agricultural Production: California’s agricultural production accounted for approximately 12% of the total US agricultural value in 2017, with a gross value of $45.2 billion. (Source: 2017 Census of Agriculture)
• Top Producer: California is the top-producing state in the US, generating more agricultural revenue than any other state. In 2015, California’s agricultural cash receipts exceeded those of the next 10 states combined. (Source: United States Department of Agriculture)
• Commodity Leadership: California is the sole producer (99% or more) of many specialty crops, including almonds, artichokes, clingstone peaches, dried plums (prunes), figs, garlic, olives, persimmons, pistachios, pomegranates, raisins, sweet rice, and walnuts. (Source: California Agriculture News Today, 2016)
• Organic Production: California organic product sales have increased by 18.2% from $9.4 billion in 2018 to $11.1 billion in 2022, with organic production covering 1.83 million acres in the state. (Source: University of California, Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics)

These statistics demonstrate California’s substantial contribution to the US agricultural industry, with a significant share of national production and exports. The state’s unique climate, soil, and water resources, combined with its innovative agricultural practices and research, enable California to maintain its position as a leader in US agriculture.

 

[redbaron]

What baffles me is that this is all attributed to measuring a molecule that makes up 0.04% of all air

Of that amount , only 4% is influenced by man using the most agressive math.

So man is responsible for 0.0016% of all particles and for some reason California is worried about that small insignificant amount.

This is a money grab, plain and simple. No science, no actual evidence, but tons of money being thrown at a non existent issue.


To make this clearer,

Line up 100,000 people.

2 of those people (rounding up from 1.6) are allergic to meat, fruits, peanuts.

Because of those 2 people the remaining 100,000 must only eat vegetables and no nuts.

And the ones making the rules are doing so while enjoying steak, fruits and nuts.

 

[AbdRahim]

ACT is much more of an issue for the trucking business as the vast majority of goods in the USA move by truck. The Economic impact of demanding ZEV where very few ZEV are available will cause damage to the economy nation wide.
Is this political ploy? Maybe they are trying to cause issues if the wrong party wins on Tuesday?

Here is a comment from the WWW:

CARB Diesel Truck Ban Impact​

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) ban on non-zero-emission vehicles (ZEV) starting in 2025 will significantly affect logistics and supply chain operations in California. Key implications include:

• Limited diesel truck options: By 2026, only CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks will be available for purchase in California. This will restrict the supply of traditional diesel-powered trucks, making it challenging for logistics companies to replace or upgrade their fleets.
• Increased costs: CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks are likely to be more expensive than traditional diesel trucks, which may lead to higher operating costs for logistics companies.
• Fleet modernization: To comply with the regulations, logistics companies will need to upgrade their fleets to ZEV diesel trucks, which may require significant investments in new vehicles, infrastructure, and training.
• Port and intermodal yard requirements: All drayage trucks entering California seaports and intermodal railyards will need to be ZEV by 2035. This will require logistics companies to ensure their trucks meet these requirements, potentially impacting their operations and supply chain efficiency.
• Regional and national implications: The ban’s expansion to five additional states (Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts) in 2025 will affect logistics companies operating across state lines, as they may need to comply with CARB regulations even if their primary operations are outside California.

Trucking companies could just stop shipping to and from those states. Dry up their ports and find alternatives. Or the trucking companies could charge a EV transport fee in those states

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Trucking companies could just stop shipping to and from those states. Dry up their ports and find alternatives. Or the trucking companies could charge a EV transport fee in those states

Honestly! You are looking at, and an unwilling participant to the American bulshevic revolution! What can be done, is being done to produce the results desired by the .5%, get the bugs ready!!!