CA strikes again with CARB ACT

[Rich W.]

It’s gone beyond or political or philosophical preference. It’s become a sickness, a mental illness IMHO, perpetrated by the aforementioned causes on a whole generation (and into the next) that has now entered into adulthood as decision makers with subsequent misconceptions engrained in their minds, causing misguided and damaging policy.

It’s difficult to imagine a scenario where this reverses, other than an extreme level of failure that forces the issue, and as Joe pointed out, we are unfortunately headed in that direction. Another good example is an EV mandate in a region where the grid is already insufficient for current needs. Maybe hydrogen fuel cell technology will save us from this downward spiral while satisfying the “climate calamity” folks.

It’s always fun to ask these folks what ended the last ice age to make them consider that climate change, while perhaps inconvenient, is nothing new, has always been, and always will be, because that’s what climates do.

In the mean time, just so I don’t forget who’s in charge, I get one of these every month:

Below is a summary of the current status of your CTC-VIS account:

1. Vehicle Compliance Certification Status:
a. 0 Vehicle Compliance Certification(s) were issued to your entity in the last month.
b. In total, 1 vehicle(s) are currently compliant out of 1 registered in your entity.
c. 0 of the Vehicle Compliance Certificate(s) will expire within next 90 days.

2. Compliance Fee:
a. Fees Due Soon: 0 vehicle(s) are with fee(s) due within next 90 days.
b. Fees Past Due: 0 vehicle(s) are with fee(s) already past due.
c. Expired Fee: There are 0 expired fee(s) in your Entity.

3. Periodic Test:
a. Vehicles with Test(s) Due: 0 vehicle(s) have entered their test submission period, and the test(s) will be due within next 90 days.
b. Tests Past Due: 0 vehicle(s) are with test(s) already past due.

4. Enforcement Hold:
0 vehicle(s) are currently under hold due to outstanding CARB Enforcement actions.

The status may vary from day to day, for more details and the latest status, please visit your account at https://cleantruckcheck.arb.ca.gov.

Please review the status of your vehicles to ensure that all your vehicles are compliant with the Clean Truck Check program. If you have any questions or need assistance, please contact CARB at [email protected].

Clean Truck Check Team California Air Resources Board [email protected]

 

[Joe Hogan]

There has been talk of food shortages for a while now. Block interstate diesel trucks from CA agriculture? Hmmm

California's US Agriculture Share​

According to various sources, including the California Department of Food and Agriculture and the University of California, Davis, California is a significant player in the US agricultural industry. Here are some key statistics:

• Value of Agricultural Production: California’s agricultural production accounted for approximately 12% of the total US agricultural value in 2017, with a gross value of $45.2 billion. (Source: 2017 Census of Agriculture)
• Top Producer: California is the top-producing state in the US, generating more agricultural revenue than any other state. In 2015, California’s agricultural cash receipts exceeded those of the next 10 states combined. (Source: United States Department of Agriculture)
• Commodity Leadership: California is the sole producer (99% or more) of many specialty crops, including almonds, artichokes, clingstone peaches, dried plums (prunes), figs, garlic, olives, persimmons, pistachios, pomegranates, raisins, sweet rice, and walnuts. (Source: California Agriculture News Today, 2016)
• Organic Production: California organic product sales have increased by 18.2% from $9.4 billion in 2018 to $11.1 billion in 2022, with organic production covering 1.83 million acres in the state. (Source: University of California, Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics)

These statistics demonstrate California’s substantial contribution to the US agricultural industry, with a significant share of national production and exports. The state’s unique climate, soil, and water resources, combined with its innovative agricultural practices and research, enable California to maintain its position as a leader in US agriculture.

 

[redbaron]

What baffles me is that this is all attributed to measuring a molecule that makes up 0.04% of all air

Of that amount , only 4% is influenced by man using the most agressive math.

So man is responsible for 0.0016% of all particles and for some reason California is worried about that small insignificant amount.

This is a money grab, plain and simple. No science, no actual evidence, but tons of money being thrown at a non existent issue.


To make this clearer,

Line up 100,000 people.

2 of those people (rounding up from 1.6) are allergic to meat, fruits, peanuts.

Because of those 2 people the remaining 100,000 must only eat vegetables and no nuts.

And the ones making the rules are doing so while enjoying steak, fruits and nuts.

 

[AbdRahim]

ACT is much more of an issue for the trucking business as the vast majority of goods in the USA move by truck. The Economic impact of demanding ZEV where very few ZEV are available will cause damage to the economy nation wide.
Is this political ploy? Maybe they are trying to cause issues if the wrong party wins on Tuesday?

Here is a comment from the WWW:

CARB Diesel Truck Ban Impact​

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) ban on non-zero-emission vehicles (ZEV) starting in 2025 will significantly affect logistics and supply chain operations in California. Key implications include:

• Limited diesel truck options: By 2026, only CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks will be available for purchase in California. This will restrict the supply of traditional diesel-powered trucks, making it challenging for logistics companies to replace or upgrade their fleets.
• Increased costs: CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks are likely to be more expensive than traditional diesel trucks, which may lead to higher operating costs for logistics companies.
• Fleet modernization: To comply with the regulations, logistics companies will need to upgrade their fleets to ZEV diesel trucks, which may require significant investments in new vehicles, infrastructure, and training.
• Port and intermodal yard requirements: All drayage trucks entering California seaports and intermodal railyards will need to be ZEV by 2035. This will require logistics companies to ensure their trucks meet these requirements, potentially impacting their operations and supply chain efficiency.
• Regional and national implications: The ban’s expansion to five additional states (Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts) in 2025 will affect logistics companies operating across state lines, as they may need to comply with CARB regulations even if their primary operations are outside California.

Trucking companies could just stop shipping to and from those states. Dry up their ports and find alternatives. Or the trucking companies could charge a EV transport fee in those states

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Trucking companies could just stop shipping to and from those states. Dry up their ports and find alternatives. Or the trucking companies could charge a EV transport fee in those states

Honestly! You are looking at, and an unwilling participant to the American bulshevic revolution! What can be done, is being done to produce the results desired by the .5%, get the bugs ready!!!

 

[redbaron]

Honestly! You are looking at, and an unwilling participant to the American bulshevic revolution! What can be done, is being done to produce the results desired by the .5%, get the bugs ready!!!

Well I personally don't think it is right to insult the Russians with that comparison.

The Russians along with many other countries would prefer that we didn't have the crazy CARB rules, and that we had large muscle cars that burned lots of fuel.

This is what happens when money and special interest are allowed to make policy, and those making decisions don't care about the bigger picture.

 

[Neal]

This is off topic but a parallel. Some may or may not be aware of the DJI ban. Let's not discuss it here but go find the videos on YouTube about it. It's the same thing, government interests.

Back to this topic though and let's all try to stay focused on it. Obviously it may put dealers out of business like happened in CA with Lindstrom I think it was? Buyers will figure out a way but is this going to be vendor specific? Will Marathon be affected for example? Any other manufacturers put out notices? Newell? Tiffin? Entegra? NIRVC?

Edit: removed stupid...obviously it affects all MH's

 

[Guido]

CA Air Resources Board passes an amendment to ACT last week regarding combustion engines that will restrict the registration of motorhomes in 6 states: California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts effective 2025.


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[Rich W.]

Thanks for posting this. I haven’t met Brent but the folks at DeMartini are great to work with and making this video is an example of their customer service ethic. It’s open and honest and informative. I’ve been thinking about them since this thread started and wondering what’s going to happen with their business. I can also see this affecting diesel pick ups in the not too distant future. The emissions systems are essentially identical.

 

[sanda]

most are going the hybrid first route.. not only is the demand not there, but the infrastructure to support them is no there as well.. Texas cant support the current HVAC load in the peak summer/winter months.. imagine if you add another few million EV's being charged to the load... the politicians dont have basic common sense..

There are other factors affecting our power grid. Millions of new people put additional strains on the system. Not to mention the impact on our lack of water in the West.

 

[redbaron]

Someone else created this illustration, but it does a good job summarizing.

Now proponents will say “wind” and “solar”, yet both of those technologies are not effective during the night hours when most ev charging takes place. This is proved by a phenomenon known as “peak traffic times” which are generally 6am to 7pm. One can easily conclude that if the car is in traffic it is not charging.

Storing energy from wind and solar requires even more lithium mining. Lithium is much more expensive and destructive to mine than oil is to process.

There are emerging energy storage options but nothing that is marketable yet. Lithium is not a viable option for replacing ICE, and soon the mandates will either be extended to 2050 or removed altogether.

 

[Jireh Financial]

It seems to be the RV "automotive" industry, i.e. Newmar/Winnebago, and all of those affected need to be making the efforts, along with FL / SP. Good luck pushing that brick wall!

Edit:

Obviously this severely impacts dealers in the affected states. I was thinking if buyers are just going to purchase across state lines. Will they be able to register their new vehicle in their home/affected state?

Good morning,
Most states require a buyer to have a real physical address in the state they register in. That also goes for paying sales tax, registration and title fees. States know they miss out on sales tax money and other fees if a buyer just "picks" a favorable state.
Let us know how we can help.
Ken

 

[turbopilot]

As someone who recently fled California and all that goes with it, I see this stupidity as part of a bigger picture. I fly airplanes. CARB just declared a ban on airplane fuel by 2030.

There is now a full scale home owner insurance crisis in California, not because of the wildfires but because the citizens of California in 1988 passed a proposition forbidding insurance companies to raise rates more the 7% a year without California State approval. California is not approving higher annual rate increases.

So what has happened (finally) is that many big companies are finally saying F....k You California and leaving. State Farm and Allstate are no longer writing new policies in the state and slowly beginning to shed existing policies.

Now the chassis manufacturers for RV's are say good by to California. Along with Elon Musk with SpaceX and Tesla. Chevron just announce they are leaving.

Do you see a trend? Finally big companies are saying enough is enough. This is good news even with the disruption.

It is time to tell the State of California to get lost. As American citizens who don't live there we have only one big lever to pull. Like the big companies that are leaving our only lever is out pocket book. The rest of America needs to sent a message loud and clear to the state, since it appears those who vote in the state are hopeless.

 

[J&JD]

As someone who recently fled California and all that goes with it, I see this stupidity as part of a bigger picture. I fly airplanes. CARB just declared a ban on airplane fuel by 2030.

There is now a full scale home owner insurance crisis in California, not because of the wildfires but because the citizens of California in 1988 passed a proposition forbidding insurance companies to raise rates more the 7% a year without California State approval. California is not approving higher annual rate increases.

So what has happened (finally) is that many big companies are finally saying F....k You California and leaving. State Farm and Allstate are no longer writing new policies in the state and slowly beginning to shed existing policies.

Now the chassis manufacturers for RV's are say good by to California. Along with Elon Musk with SpaceX and Tesla. Chevron just announce they are leaving.

Do you see a trend? Finally big companies are saying enough is enough. This is good news even with the disruption.

It is time to tell the State of California to get lost. As American citizens who don't live there we have only one big lever to pull. Like the big companies that are leaving our only lever is out pocket book. The rest of America needs to sent a message loud and clear to the state, since it appears those who vote in the state are hopeless.

Guess that us why insurance companies are fleeing Florida too??? Good grief! With increasing fires, hurricanes, and tornadoes, companies are trying to stay viable. I think we might have to come up with a plan to help folks in several states that cannot get insurance anymore with changing weather patterns. Judy D

And to add to what Judy just said, we have been through all the 48 contiguous states in our rv and there are several that we have no interest in ever visiting again or living in for many varied reasons. That said we would never bash them or post disparaging remarks about them. We are all part of this wonderful country of our and we just don’t understand those that continually spout negativity. This is especially true of those that make a fortune selling property in California, move out, and then continue to bash the state. Enjoy your good fortune and move on.

 

[turbopilot]

Guess that us why insurance companies are fleeing Florida too??? Good grief! With increasing fires, hurricanes, and tornadoes, companies are trying to stay viable. I think we might have to come up with a plan to help folks in several states that cannot get insurance anymore with changing weather patterns. Judy D

There is no magic bullet except to let the free market be free. In order to have insurance, the insurance companies and the reinsurance market needs to make a profit. Price controls do not work. But that is just one of many issues in California. California thinks legislation is a substitute for a free market. Over the long run it does not work for insurance or RV's. Thank goodness many companies have had it with the foolishness. I don't know how this ends but we are beginning to see a new way to deal with these issues. It will be disruptive.

 

[J&JD]

There is no magic bullet except to let the free market be free. In order to have insurance, the insurance companies and the reinsurance market needs to make a profit. Price controls do not work. But that is just one of many issues in California. California thinks legislation is a substitute for a free market. Over the long run it does not work for insurance or RV's. Thank goodness many companies have had it with the foolishness. I don't know how this ends but we are beginning to see a new way to deal with these issues. It will be disruptive.

As always, there are compromises made in the middle of our ideas that make our country what it is, and make us strong. I think we need to remember that. Judy D

 

[Neal]

Back to the OP - how does Cummins play into this?

 

[turbopilot]

Back to the OP - how does Cummins play into this?

I would like to see more detail about this foolish action but at first impression this is all about electric motors, not emissions from internal combustion engines. So Cummins would have to get into making electric powertrain components. That is what is so crazy about what California has done. It started out as effort to keep the California air cleaner by eliminating ICE pollution in a state the has a problem with atmospheric inversions. The whole effort has now transformed into a goal to fix global warming by eliminating ICE completely. They make it look like one issue. This insanity is not going to stop with eliminating diesel pusher RV's. It is just the beginning to eliminate all ICE transportation.

 

[Neal]

I'm just confused how the letter in the OP lands on chassis vendors and not the engine vendor? How are FL and SP part of this? Maybe they own the after-treatment "emissions" side, I don't know.

 

[Joe Hogan]

Politics aside, if you can do that with this topic, anyone who visited the LA basin in the 60s or early 70s understand the toxic stew the air was back then.
So the good thing about CARB and EPA is that these groups did get the air cleaner around the country.
Unfortunately these groups have lost balance with providing good vs just wielding power.
Balance needs to be restored to these regulations in my opinion.