CA strikes again with CARB ACT

[BGMAC]

There is something common with all these states but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Yep, I looked it up.

 

[GUS2000]

I think the ACT is just the beginning of troubles for the EV mandates. Auto manufacturers can’t sell enough EVs to make a profit and the subsidies aren’t enough to bridge the gap. Many autos have already changed they plan for ev, or scrapped it altogether.

2030 is not realistic.

most are going the hybrid first route.. not only is the demand not there, but the infrastructure to support them is no there as well.. Texas cant support the current HVAC load in the peak summer/winter months.. imagine if you add another few million EV's being charged to the load... the politicians dont have basic common sense..

 

[Buc]

The usual non-political content, hey?

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

most are going the hybrid first route.. not only is the demand not there, but the infrastructure to support them is no there as well.. Texas cant support the current HVAC load in the peak summer/winter months.. imagine if you add another few million EV's being charged to the load... the politicians dont have basic common sense..

You're on target and to make matters worse, several windmills froze up the snowmaggaden of 2022.

 

[redbaron]

I will personally avoid hybrid or anything that is not a traditional ICE.

The usual non-political content, hey?

Avoiding politics when discussing energy is not possible. Doing so responsibly is possible.

 

[Buc]

I will personally avoid hybrid or anything that is not a traditional ICE.


Avoiding politics when discussing energy is not possible. Doing so responsibly is possible.

I’m sure a bunch of randos on an RV forum know better that policy experts hired by our elected representatives.

 

[redbaron]

I’m sure a bunch of randos on an RV forum know better that policy experts hired by our elected representatives.

I am confident that I am much smarter than many of the people making decisions when it comes to spending my personal money.

Most people in a position of creating policy do so to line the pockets of their financial backers. They are doing so in the interest of a select group, and ignoring the common person. This is not limited to the energy sector, but pretty much any area where influence is purchased.

The view that a bunch of random independent thinkers going against the grain, and saying things that are not part of the way we are being told to think is less than those that are paid to make statements is well...just purely beyond my scope of comprehension.

My default position is to question "why". After I question "why", then I question who is benefiting. It can be an onion at times, with multiple layers, and often I just give up and go with my gut and find that I am happier living my life that goes against the way those that are paid the dollars to tell me how to live suggest that I do.

I have nothing against those that want to follow the herd mentality, or follow the rules put out by paid experts.

 

[Buc]

Enjoy your echo chamber. I’m done this time.

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

I am always thankful to hear the words, "Hello. I'm Fred from the government, and I'm here to help you."

Now...we're getting off the topic of the crazy regulations handed down by the CA Air Resources Board banning titling and registering diesel motorhomes in certain states.

I almost forgot, my master's is in Mechanical Engineering, but my best education came from the University of Life.

Back to the topic.

 

[Neal]

So let me chime in on whether this thread is politics or not, etc. etc.

If you don't understand the context of this thread please go read the original post (#1) by @ARD. Thank you @ARD for sharing the information as it is very important for the RV community to be aware of and if you're about to order you better get on it. The topic is political on the venue that it is government regulation. Should it be discussed on this site? Yes, absolutely, it's not political rant, it's a topic that may involve politics in that you may need to start writing your congressman, etc. and make them aware and aware of your thoughts about it. Let's not get triggered just because some discussion has ties to government (aka politics) as in some cases it needs to be discussed as does this. Let's rewind to years ago before Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) came about. Government regulation drastically impacting the diesel motor industry and obviously something we are still struggling with today in our attempts to enjoy the open roads while tied to this. Do you think we would have discussed it here, if we were here back then? You bet.

While some in the thread threw in some humor and pushed the lines, so be it, enjoy some humor, lighten up, we are here to have fun first and foremost but also discuss serious topics such as this. It's been educational and informative, we learned it could be expanding among other states and the power of crowd sourcing information about this is a great asset.

Continue...let's refrain where we need to refrain, be responsible and professional and that includes you cloudhopper!

 

[Rollin Ollen]

So let me chime in on whether this thread is politics or not, etc. etc.



While some in the thread threw in some humor and pushed the lines, so be it, enjoy some humor, lighten up, we are here to have fun first and foremost but also discuss serious topics such as this. It's been educational and informative, we learned it could be expanding among other states and the power of crowd sourcing information about this is a great asset

I'd like to add a little levity to the thread. See my photos. A first Hybrid V10 motorhome. And NO it is not a real Hybrid. We used to live on Vancouver Island in Canada. Victoria is full of Eco Rabid folk. I often got a hard time when filling the tank with gasoline until I added the Hybrid emblem. I just pointed it out and was usually patted on the back for being so forward thinking in my purchasing. Just my way of thumbing my nose at the eco creeps. Seriously, I have had people knock on my door asking me about the Hybrid's performance!


Darrell

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

I'm always professional except sometimes when I'm not. Point taken.

Let us return to our normal program now in progress.

 

[Rich W.]

I’m sure a bunch of randos on an RV forum know better that policy experts hired by our elected representatives.

Absolutely no doubt there. Our elected officials here are gleefully shooting the electorate in the foot. The examples are endless. So if that makes me a Rando ( new term for me) I’ll wear it proudly.

And let’s face it - the “policy experts” at the top (such as at CARB for instance) are almost always unqualified cronies. I’ve seen it first hand at the highest levels of Ca govt.

Edit: Rando: noun. ran·do ˈran-(ˌ)dō plural randos. slang, often disparaging. : a random person : a person who is not known or recognizable or whose appearance (as in a conversation or narrative) seems unprompted or unwelcome.

Yeah, I’ll take that.

 

[Rich W.]

I will personally avoid hybrid or anything that is not a traditional ICE.


Avoiding politics when discussing energy is not possible. Doing so responsibly is possible.

I have a Polaris Ranger EV and it’s very practical for my uses - only goes 30mph but wont set the fields on fire with hot exhaust, my solar charges it, and it gets around the ranch very well. Also have a good selection of lithium powered Stihl equipment - works just fine and it’s really nice to get away from 2 stroke maintenance. That said, an over the road EV would be a giant stretch for me.

Also I was amused one day last year when Gavin Nuisance came out with his latest EV mandate and just a few minutes later on the news the ISO requested that users reduce electricity usage due to high demand and insufficient supply. They clearly don’t get it and it’s all based on misguided notions, but we are stuck with it for the foreseeable future.

 

[GUS2000]

I am confident that I am much smarter than many of the people making decisions when it comes to spending my personal money.

Most people in a position of creating policy do so to line the pockets of their financial backers. They are doing so in the interest of a select group, and ignoring the common person. This is not limited to the energy sector, but pretty much any area where influence is purchased.

The view that a bunch of random independent thinkers going against the grain, and saying things that are not part of the way we are being told to think is less than those that are paid to make statements is well...just purely beyond my scope of comprehension.

My default position is to question "why". After I question "why", then I question who is benefiting. It can be an onion at times, with multiple layers, and often I just give up and go with my gut and find that I am happier living my life that goes against the way those that are paid the dollars to tell me how to live suggest that I do.

I have nothing against those that want to follow the herd mentality, or follow the rules put out by paid experts.

what do you know? youre just an owner

 

[Joe Hogan]

Unfortunately this will end Newmar's business. The west coast is a major market for high-end diesel motorhomes. The dealership support network will slowly become repair shops only.
There will be temporary work arounds for those that are willing to skirt the law but that does not amount to many.
Unfortunately this government interference in the RV market will again upend rational pricing. Existing chassis will become very valuable in the short term.

 

[redbaron]

Joe, I don’t think it will end Newmar or any other manufacturer. It may end Spartan, but they are already sinking.

It will cause minor stress to those with Montana, Texas, SD plates traveling thru the states affected by ACT, as there will be an assumption by LEO or DMV that this is a resident cheating.

Dealerships in Arizona, Montana, Idaho, Utah, Texas, South Dakota,Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida will see a huge bump in sales. So
Will storage facilities in these states, especially those close to a major airport with connections to the West coast.

 

[DennisT]

Some of the states, New York for one that I read about are already going after them for using the Montana LLCs to dodge taxes in their home state.

Other than CA I think some of these may fall by the wayside when the lawsuits start flying. Going to cause residents major headaches and, hopefully, they won’t stand for it.

Will be interesting to watch for sure.

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

They are currently running at a $30 billion deficit, I guess a few more billion won't matter.

 

[Joe Hogan]

ACT is much more of an issue for the trucking business as the vast majority of goods in the USA move by truck. The Economic impact of demanding ZEV where very few ZEV are available will cause damage to the economy nation wide.
Is this political ploy? Maybe they are trying to cause issues if the wrong party wins on Tuesday?

Here is a comment from the WWW:

CARB Diesel Truck Ban Impact​

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) ban on non-zero-emission vehicles (ZEV) starting in 2025 will significantly affect logistics and supply chain operations in California. Key implications include:

• Limited diesel truck options: By 2026, only CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks will be available for purchase in California. This will restrict the supply of traditional diesel-powered trucks, making it challenging for logistics companies to replace or upgrade their fleets.
• Increased costs: CARB-compliant ZEV diesel trucks are likely to be more expensive than traditional diesel trucks, which may lead to higher operating costs for logistics companies.
• Fleet modernization: To comply with the regulations, logistics companies will need to upgrade their fleets to ZEV diesel trucks, which may require significant investments in new vehicles, infrastructure, and training.
• Port and intermodal yard requirements: All drayage trucks entering California seaports and intermodal railyards will need to be ZEV by 2035. This will require logistics companies to ensure their trucks meet these requirements, potentially impacting their operations and supply chain efficiency.
• Regional and national implications: The ban’s expansion to five additional states (Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts) in 2025 will affect logistics companies operating across state lines, as they may need to comply with CARB regulations even if their primary operations are outside California.