GFCI outlets on 2016 London Aire 4519

[Jim]

Does anyone know where the GFCI outlets for the heated floors are on the 2016 London Aire? Rear zone is working fine, but front and middle are not working at all.

 

[scottramer]

I have a 19 LA and there are 2 GFI outlets in the half bath cabinet where the circuit breaker panel is that are for the floor heat.

 

[lostinfla]

16 DS, same place.

 

[Rd1]

for the 2017 LADP, one of the gfi in the half bath is loacted behind the drawer. If you open the drawer fully, you may be able to see the gfi. to reset it, you have to remove the drawer. I don't know why they hid that one!! could be the floor plan.

 

[J&JD]

There are also a couple of relays for the floors that you might check. In our 17DS one is below the sink in the main bath and two are in the lower cabinet in the 1/2 bath. I had one of mine in the 1/2 bath go bad as I was careless storing stuff around it and they are not protected well as they protrude from their metal mounting box. You can hear them click on/off ifyou listen carefully as you turn the floors on/off.

 

[Jim]

I checked the GFI plug in the 1/2 bath and it was showing green. I reset it anyway. There are also 2 breakers in the power box in the 1/2 bath as well, and I turned them on/off, just for kicks-n-grins.

I looked at the Silverleaf display and now all 3 zones showed red squiggly lines, indicating that all the floors were on. This wasn't the case before as only the back bathroom floor was showing a red line. And a short time later, 2 out of the 3 zones were working. The rear has always worked, but now the salon was working as well. Still no heat in the bedroom but at least I'm getting closer.

So, I'm sitting in the captain chair working on the problem, and and I reach over and pushed the door lock/unlock button. It hasn't worked since I bought the coach, and I'm not sure why I pushed it, but I did. And the door locked. Pushed it again, door unlocked. What the heck???

So now I'm wondering, what has changed, and the only thing I can think of is I just replaced all the house batteries. The old batteries were definitely BAD, but I would have thought the charger would have supplied enough power to offset bad batteries.

Does anyone know if the floor heat depends on 12 volts to make them work? Or maybe the Silverleaf requires a good 12 volt supply to send a signal to the floors that it's time to turn on?

Either way, I now have a working door lock/unlock where I didn't before, and I've got another zone working that wasn't working before. And I'm seriously wondering if the new house batteries are responsible.

 

[Neal]

Sometimes taking 12V power off, waiting 30 seconds, re-enabling can fix things such as your door lock, in my case one of the slide controllers needed a reboot, etc. You should have the switch at your door (salesman switch) that can turn off 12V power but when you replaced the batteries this occurred and therefore did the same. I'm guessing that fixed your door lock gremlin.

Can't help with floor heat, don't have it. But I would test one zone at a time and not put all on at once, once you've done a reset.

 

[Jim]

for the 2017 LADP, one of the gfi in the half bath is loacted behind the drawer. If you open the drawer fully, you may be able to see the gfi. to reset it, you have to remove the drawer. I don't know why they hid that one!! could be the floor plan.

Yep, I found the one behind the drawer, and reset it. But where it the second one?

 

[Rd1]

the bedroom floor heat zone gfi should be buried in the master bath cabinet. Behind the drains under the wash sink. usually closest to the bedroom side.

 

[Scotttkd2]

Jim....With the amount of 12v and high voltage electronics in these coaches, my baseline is to reboot everything at least a time or two when troubleshooting. It seems like resetting these systems regularly goes a long way keep the gremlins at bay. Glad to hear you are getting the missing systems back online!

 

[Jim]

the bedroom floor heat zone gfi should be buried in the master bath cabinet. Behind the drains under the wash sink. usually closest to the bedroom side.

Thank you. Unfortunately, it didn't help. So I have the Salon and Master Bath working, but bedroom is still being obstinate.

 

[J&JD]

Have you found & checked the three relays yet?

 

[Jim]

Have you found & checked the three relays yet?

That's next!

 

[Rd1]

Thank you. Unfortunately, it didn't help. So I have the Salon and Master Bath working, but bedroom is still being obstinate.

as stated above, when the floor heat is turned on for any given zone, you should hear a light click. for the bedroom, I hear that click under the sink in the master bath. For the kitchen zone, I hear it in the 1/2 bath. You may want to have some one turn the floor heat ON, while you are in the master bath area with the cabinet doors open and see if you can hear the click, and then trace it. At least, that may be one starting point.

Another item to check, is your SL Floor Heat setting, if you haven't checked already.
From SL main screen, go to Features, then look for Floor Heat Configuration. Lets see what you have listed for the three zones.

 

[Jim]

Another item to check, is your SL Floor Heat setting, if you haven't checked already.
From SL main screen, go to Features, then look for Floor Heat Configuration. Lets see what you have listed for the three zones.

Thanks, but they're all on. And I've switched the wires around on the Silverleaf control module, thinking that maybe the module was not working correctly. But the front and rear floors work, regardless of which wire is feeding them, so it seems to me that there is a breakdown between the Silverleaf controller and the floor heat itself. I'm thinking maybe a broken wire of something.

 

[Rd1]

ok there is a bit of miss here, you are saying the master bath floor works, but not the bedroom?

as I understand it, there are 3 zones, lvroom, kitchen and bedroom/master bath. My zone 3 starts just around the bed (the end facing the front of coach) and goes all the way to the end of master bath next to engine bay access door.

So need to know which zone is the issue? if only part of the zone 3 is working, that 'COULD' be wiring under the tile. It can happen.

Also, I haven't looked at floor heat settings thru omniscope. Thats why asked for SL floor heat config settings. 'sometime' SL gets picky if the config settings/names are not right. it may help to know how your floor heat zones are defined.

 

[Jim]

ok there is a bit of miss here, you are saying the master bath floor works, but not the bedroom?

as I understand it, there are 3 zones, lvroom, kitchen and bedroom/master bath. My zone 3 starts just around the bed (the end facing the front of coach) and goes all the way to the end of master bath next to engine bay access door.

So need to know which zone is the issue? if only part of the zone 3 is working, that 'COULD' be wiring under the tile. It can happen.

Also, I haven't looked at floor heat settings thru omniscope. Thats why asked for SL floor heat config settings. 'sometime' SL gets picky if the config settings/names are not right. it may help to know how your floor heat zones are defined.

Of the 3 zones, and lets call them Front, Mid & Rear, are you sure that the Rear zone is Bed & MB combined?

• I was under the impression that the 3 zones were LR = Front, BR = Mid, and MB = Rear. If this version is correct, then my BR (Mid) is the zone that isn't working. If your version is correct, then yes, 1/2 of the Rear zone (the BR) is not working.
• Naming is the same on both the Silverleaf displays, but to be honest, I don't think it's possible to name them different from one Silverleaf display to another. Or have I misunderstood your post?
• What is "omniscope"?

 

[Fish]

Very bad look for a dealer to sell a high dollar unit with bad batteries.

 

[Jim]

Very bad look for a dealer to sell a high dollar unit with bad batteries.

It was part of the negations and I knew it going in. They made some very valid concessions on their end and covered a lot of issues that would never have been covered in a private party sale.

It's all good!

 

[Rd1]

Of the 3 zones, and lets call them Front, Mid & Rear, are you sure that the Rear zone is Bed & MB combined?

In my case, yes they are. floor plan 4553
zone1 is from behind driver seat to kitchen cabinet/wash sink area. zone2 goes to just about the bed. zone 3 from bed thru master bath.

• I was under the impression that the 3 zones were LR = Front, BR = Mid, and MB = Rear. If this version is correct, then my BR (Mid) is the zone that isn't working. If your version is correct, then yes, 1/2 of the Rear zone (the BR) is not working.

You have a 16LADP. The hwh fws had some issues for both 16 &17. The bedroom end would sag down some. This seems to load the main floor right at the end of the FWS. Usually causes some of the tiles just before the master bath area to crack. I have some of those. Have you ever seen the wiring mesh for the floor heat? They are thin and can easily break. A cracked tile 'may' casue damage to the mesh. *IF* that maybe the issue, perhaps you can get Newmar to deal with it.

• Naming is the same on both the Silverleaf displays, but to be honest, I don't think it's possible to name them different from one Silverleaf display to another. Or have I misunderstood your post?

just like to verify the floor heat config setting on your SL.
From main menu, select 'Features'
then scroll down till you find 'Floor Heat Configuration'
lets see what you have listed for the zones

• What is "omniscope"?

omniscope is one of the software SL/or SL dealers uses to diagnose or make some changes to the SL settings. It has a cable that connects to the round port on your main front SL display, above the driver seat.