Mirada cargo capacity

[gfmucci]

I see on a dealers Web site the front axle is 8K and rear is 15K. Is this the primary limitation for gross vehicle weight?

I didn't see on any spec sheet what the cargo capacity is after a washer/dryer is added., or even without a washer dryer.

You guys have any info on this? I imagine the older 10 cyl version might be different from the newer 8 cyl.

Coachmen Mirada 315KS - 2012-2023. Any info you have.

Thanks.

 

[John&Andrea]

2012 Coachmen Mirada 35DS specs and literature guide

www.rvusa.com

Maybe this will help.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Almost every option, as well as things you would not think of as options, detract from your equipment hauling capacity!!

The only reliable way to answer your question is to say have it weighed, then do the math.

 

[gfmucci]

Almost every option, as well as things you would not think of as options, detract from your equipment hauling capacity!!

The only reliable way to answer your question is to say have it weighed, then do the math.

I would rather know the CCC before I bought one.

 

[gfmucci]

2012 Coachmen Mirada 35DS specs and literature guide

www.rvusa.com

Maybe this will help.

Nope. No CCC. Not enough data to calculate. Even the new 2023 brochure doesn't state CCC, and doesn't provide weight off the production line with fuel and water, although it defined what CCC means. Again, not even two figures to calculate CCC. Strange.

The only thing that makes sense is they don't say because it's not much.

I even asked a local General RV dealer. He couldn't tell me. He said he needs to speak to a rep.

I'm interested in this brand/model because it appears to be the shortest Class A out there with a washer/dryer hookup, <35'.

 

[Leprechaun]

Just FYI, we replaced our washer/dryer combo and they weigh approximately 148 lbs. A stackable washer and dryer which would fit into the Mirada total weight is about 208 lbs.

 

[John&Andrea]

This is for Coachman web site on a new 315. GCWR is 26,000 GVWR is 22,000. That leaves 4,000 for propane, water, passengers, cargo. So no, CCC will not be much. Towing behind the MH will need to factored in as well. Don’t forget the 80 gallons of fuel.

 

[Leprechaun]

Unless you do an boondocking you probably won't have any issues. We don't boondock and just carry the essentials then get what food we need from the local stores when we arrive at the CG.

 

[gfmucci]

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This is for Coachman web site on a new 315. GCWR is 26,000 GVWR is 22,000. That leaves 4,000 for propane, water, passengers, cargo. So no, CCC will not be much. Towing behind the MH will need to factored in as well. Don’t forget the 80 gallons of fuel.

This doesn't compute for me. If the combined axle capacity is 23,000 lbs (15K and 8K) how do you get 4K for everything else? Could you provide more calcs, please? Isn't axle capacity the max. gross weight limit?

If this rig is used just for solo full timing without heavy hobbies, minimal CCC is probably OK. A second person would probably add another 500 lbs (150 person and 350 stuff.) But given the axle max. I don't understand how CCC is arrived at.

 

[Leprechaun]

The Gross Combined Vehicle Rating is 26,000 lbs. This is the total weight that can be carried and towed. The GVWR of 22,000 is the curb weight plus all people, cargo and is without the tow vehicle. So you have 4,000 lbs. if the you are loaded to the 22,000 lbs.

The axel weight is the maximum weight that can placed directly on each axel not spread out over the entire length of the chassis.

We have a '17 Leprechaun GVWR is 14,200 and we have a residential Fridge and a washer/dryer combo With a loaded fridge and other stuff (loaded in the basement) we bring we have not even come close.

Go to a Truck Stop or anywhere they have a CAT Scale and get the RV weighed (front and back separately) that will better help you understand.

 

[gfmucci]

The Gross Combined Vehicle Rating is 26,000 lbs. This is the total weight that can be carried and towed. The GVWR of 22,000 is the curb weight plus all people, cargo and is without the tow vehicle. So you have 4,000 lbs. if the you are loaded to the 22,000 lbs.

The axel weight is the maximum weight that can placed directly on each axel not spread out over the entire length of the chassis.

Go to a Truck Stop or anywhere they have a CAT Scale and get the RV weighed (front and back separately) that will better help you understand.

Thanks for your explanation. So, the GVWR of 22,000 lbs is 1,000 pounds less than the 23,000 lb AXLE max weight capacity. Neither axle should bear more weight than their individual max, wherever the load exists, directly over the axle or 10 feet away. That's why load distribution is important as I understand it.

So, if the GVWR (max fully loaded) is 22,000 lbs, and you say the load capacity is 4,000 lbs, does that mean the empty vehicle weight is 18,000 lbs? I didn't see anything in the specs provided above that indicated the empty weight of the rig as the basis for deriving the 4,000 lb CCC. I'm just interested in the "carried" weight, not the "towed" weight. Seems a number or two is still missing.

Also, as mentioned earlier, I'm interested in learning weight capacities BEFORE I purchase a motorhome only to weigh it and then be shocked at how little cargo it can handle.

 

[Leprechaun]

Nope, If you want the empty weight you will have to weigh it. The GVWR (22,000 lbs) is the rating when fully loaded minus any towed vehicle. The Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCVR) 26,000 lbs. is the RV fully loaded and a tow vehicle, which means you can tow a 4000 lbs. toad.

Empty weight - Unknown
GVWR 22,000 fully loaded without tow vehicle
GCWR 26,000 Fully loaded with tow vehicle

That leaves 4000 lbs for a tow vehicle.

If you are looking for the how much you can load before you get to the 22,000 lbs. you must have the empty weight which I do not know of any manufacture that list it.

Also, talked to a friend at Coachmen and he stated the 315KS wasn't available until 2021 and they do not list the empty weight due to the dealer installing options prior to sale.

 

[gfmucci]

If you are looking for the how much you can load before you get to the 22,000 lbs. you must have the empty weight which I do not know of any manufacture that list it.

Also, talked to a friend at Coachmen and he stated the 315KS wasn't available until 2021 and they do not list the empty weight due to the dealer installing options prior to sale.

That answers the riddle. No empty weight provided so we can't know how much we can load in it until after we buy and weigh it. That sounds a lot like not knowing what's in proposed legislation until they pass it.

Here is another good explanation by GaryRVroamer from another web site...

"Manufacturers are now reluctant to publish UVW (empty) weights because federal law requires that they give accurate weights for each vehicle. Not model, each vehicle. That varies by configuration and options, and they don't want to advertise a UVW and then get sued because th see one you order is 1000 or more lbs different. Some will quote a base weight with no options (and put that caveat somewhere in the brochure or webpage), but it's still risky for them. And you, if you count on that exact weight. The GVWR, on the other hand, is a fixed maximum regardless of configuration. The CCC, if stated, assumes some mythical UVW, but CCC isn't subject to the same federal regs as UVW, making it less legally risky. Therefore, subtract CCC from GVWR to get an estimate of UVW, but take both CCC & UVW with several grains of salt. The actual for a specific coach can be surprisingly different."

 

[Leprechaun]

Either way, adding 250 lbs. for a stackable washer and dryer in minimal compared to the towed vehicle. Chance are unless yo hauling rocks or gold you won't come close.

 

[gfmucci]

Either way, adding 250 lbs. for a stackable washer and dryer in minimal compared to the towed vehicle. Chance are unless yo hauling rocks or gold you won't come close.

No, I don't plan to do what Lucy did in Long, Long Trailer.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

No, I don't plan to do what Lucy did in Long, Long Trailer.

Guess we better rethink our investment strategy!

 

[Leprechaun]

No, I don't plan to do what Lucy did in Long, Long Trailer.

I understand that, but it was funny.