Update and clarification on CARB and diesel motorhomes operating in Ca from FCOC

[flyboy013]

Well that's still not completely accurate. The CARB website states that motorhomes registered out-of-state "are only [exempt] during the first four years of Clean Truck Check implementation (2023-2027)". So both Freightliner notices were accurate some degree ... but they seem to be missing vital clarifying information.

 

[Jabber Jaw]

One thing for sure!!
REGARDLESS of the CARB publication, or otherwise, CALIFORNIA does not have to worry about me crossing the border into their State! SAD, because there is so much beauty there to be seen!
And probably, most could care less, if I go, or if I don't!
There 49 other States to see and enjoy! And I'm so old the pages of time turn faster than my ability to travel!
Safe travels to all!

Allan

 

[Scooterfan]

Another Newscum delusion...In a State that enjoyed a budget surplus but now faces severe deficits, they enact a regulation that may affect tourism (income). Enforcement will cost more than revenue from compliance, and the air will not change as a result. RV'ers provide communities substantial revenue and yet that industry is not promoted and/or supported.

REGARDLESS of the CARB publication, or otherwise, CALIFORNIA does not have to worry about me crossing the border into their State!

Others have expressed the same sentiment and that means one less "camper" spending money for an RV park, fuel, provisions, and tourism. We just contributed to the Oregon RV parks, restaurants, gas stations, Fred Meyers (gotta love Fred Meyers ) and curio stores in Bandon Beach, Coos Bay and Florence. And they were happy to have us! Each CA County has a clean air board...we do not need another money pit like CARB. Just my humble opinion. Blessings

 

[Trav_lr]

Well that's still not completely accurate. The CARB website states that motorhomes registered out-of-state "are only [exempt] during the first four years of Clean Truck Check implementation (2023-2027)". So both Freightliner notices were accurate some degree ... but they seem to be missing vital clarifying information.

I don't know how much more clear this could be? Diesel motorhomes not registered in California are EXEMPT! California cannot regulate diesel motorhomes registered in other states and especially those snowbirding from Canada.

By FMCA Governmental And Legislative Affairs Committee
The California Air Resources Board (CARB) — part of California Environmental Protection Agency — has implemented the Clean Truck Check. This directly regulates nearly all diesel and alternative-fuel vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) over 14,000 pounds that operate on California roads. The regulation includes motorhomes registered in the state but exempts those registered outside the state.

In response to RVers’ concerns, FMCA’s Governmental and Legislative Affairs Committee contacted CARB for more information on the impact of the regulations. Owners of diesel motorhomes registered in California must register with CARB and pay a $30 annual fee prior to operating their coach in the state. Motorhomes may be registered at https://cleantruckcheck.arb.ca.gov. The compliance fee requirement started in 2023, and the deadline to pay the fee for 2023 was January 31, 2024.
Owners need to take steps to register the vehicle to avoid a DMV registration block on the vehicle and to avoid penalties.

Beginning October 1, 2024, emissions compliance testing requirements take effect.

Owners of California-registered motorhomes are required to submit to emissions compliance testing once annually. Deadlines ultimately will align with the vehicle’s DMV registration date, but this may vary from the 2024 compliance deadline. In 2024, all vehicles will have a compliance deadline between July 1 and December 31, 2024. Testing cannot be completed more than 90 days prior to your compliance date.

Our research has indicated that at press time, some California Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV) employees were unaware of the program and thus may not be able to provide motorhome owners information. The DMV does, however, receive hold orders from CARB for those trying to renew a registration on a non-compliant vehicle in California. Penalties can be up to $10,000 per vehicle per day.

CARB publications are a bit difficult to decipher. FMCA’s Governmental and Legislative Affairs Committee members have been researching this program for many weeks and finally received the above interpretation of applicability directly from CARB.

For more information, visit ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/CTC or contact the CARB directly at [email protected].

 

[Rich W.]

That all seems quite accurate. As I was unable to pay the compliance fee on line due to their dysfunctional website, I stopped at the DMV and they said they have no control over it and yes there is a hold on my registration. I called CARB and the automated response invited me to leave a message and advised that there are (no exaggeration here) 1,436 callers ahead of me - I could hold or wait for a call back.

An email response directed me back to the dysfunctional website that didn’t work in the first place. I told them this was an inadequate response so a second email directed me to a you tube how-to video of the dysfunctional website narrated by someone who clearly only speaks English as a second or third language. I couldn’t understand any of it but it didn’t matter since it was the same website that doesn’t work anyway. Fun times…

 

[J&JD]

That all seems quite accurate. As I was unable to pay the compliance fee on line due to their dysfunctional website, I stopped at the DMV and they said they have no control over it and yes there is a hold on my registration. I called CARB and the automated response invited me to leave a message and advised that there are (no exaggeration here) 1,436 callers ahead of me - I could hold or wait for a call back.

An email response directed me back to the dysfunctional website that didn’t work in the first place. I told them this was an inadequate response so a second email directed me to a you tube how-to video of the dysfunctional website narrated by someone who clearly only speaks English as a second or third language. I couldn’t understand any of it but it didn’t matter since it was the same website that doesn’t work anyway. Fun times…

After three hours of fiddling around with the website I finally was able to figure it out and pay my fee ($30 for 2023 & $30 for 2024). The main problem was that I only use an iPad or iPhone for all my internet interaction. The site said that my browser was not acceptable and to try Chrome or E. I tried Chrome & Firefox as I had never heard of E. Finally looked it up and came up with Microsoft E. Downloaded it and finally everything went through and they took my money.
For being in the heart of Silicon Valley it’s unbelievable that the Cleantruck website is so poorly designed, sigh. Now to wait and see how difficult the testing and finding a test site will be. OMG!

 

[mjeds]

After three hours of fiddling around with the website I finally was able to figure it out and pay my fee ($30 for 2023 & $30 for 2024). The main problem was that I only use an iPad or iPhone for all my internet interaction. The site said that my browser was not acceptable and to try Chrome or E. I tried Chrome & Firefox as I had never heard of E. Finally looked it up and came up with Microsoft E. Downloaded it and finally everything went through and they took my money.
For being in the heart of Silicon Valley it’s unbelievable that the Cleantruck website is so poorly designed, sigh. Now to wait and see how difficult the testing and finding a test site will be. OMG!

Microsoft Edge is basically Chrome, Edge uses the Chromium back end, and the user interface is the only really difference (MS branded over Google branded).

 

[redbaron]

After three hours of fiddling around with the website I finally was able to figure it out and pay my fee ($30 for 2023 & $30 for 2024). The main problem was that I only use an iPad or iPhone for all my internet interaction. The site said that my browser was not acceptable and to try Chrome or E. I tried Chrome & Firefox as I had never heard of E. Finally looked it up and came up with Microsoft E. Downloaded it and finally everything went through and they took my money.
For being in the heart of Silicon Valley it’s unbelievable that the Cleantruck website is so poorly designed, sigh. Now to wait and see how difficult the testing and finding a test site will be. OMG!

Prior to this, did you have to do an annual inspection that includes emissions? Texas requires it in some counties, and it is done at the same time as safety inspections. Curious how the process differs for you in California.

 

[J&JD]

Prior to this, did you have to do an annual inspection that includes emissions? Texas requires it in some counties, and it is done at the same time as safety inspections. Curious how the process differs for you in California.

No, no inspections of any kind for the 20 years I’ve owned a diesel pusher rv.

 

[J&JD]

Microsoft Edge is basically Chrome, Edge uses the Chromium back end, and the user interface is the only really difference (MS branded over Google branded).

That may be true but the chrome browser for my iPad or iPhone would not work to process payment on the Cleantruck site. Only Microsoft E app would work.

 

[Rich W.]

That may be true but the chrome browser for my iPad or iPhone would not work to process payment on the Cleantruck site. Only Microsoft E app would work.

My experience as well. I also managed to pay after dusting off my desk top. But anyone without a windows based computer can’t be “compliant’ even if they in actuality are. Much like a bad DEF header telling the ECM that you are low on DEF when your tank is full.

 

[Rustymayes]

Older topic but still relevant... I signed up for my CARB account and get monthly emails about what I need to or don't need to do so far. I am not clear on when if ever I will need to get a smog inspection on my rig. My Brother has an older 2005 I think DP that they have had on non op status for a couple of years and are having a hell of a time getting it registered. They registered it non op when the registration came due a couple of years ago and were using a different rig for their needs. They sold that one and want to recommission the 05 rig for a long cross country trip this year and have been told that they need to get a smog inspection. They live in Williams Ca in the middle of Ag country 1/4 mile off of I-5 and they have yet to find a shop that can do the inspection they need to comply with the DMV and CARB requirements! Is there anyone living in the region that knows of or has personal recent experience with a shop they can recommend? Typical CA political crap storm. Non elected officials creating rules and standards that people are forced to comply with before the industry can develop infrastructure to support the new standards. This becoming so common place here like the idiotic concept of banning the sale of ICE vehicles by 2035 when only a relative small percentage of the population need, want or can even use an EV for their transportation needs!
Rusty Mayes

 

[redbaron]

Things have changed in california. The citizens of California are taking back control of their local goverment. The CARB rules for motorhomes are no longer applicable, and many more of the CARB rules are being rolled back.

 

[J&JD]

You might have them call these people, not that far from them:

Motorhome Repair | Sacramento Truck Centers | Sacramento, CA

Sacramento Truck Center is part of the Oasis Service Network. We are proud to assist, provide premier service, and support for customers in need of maintenance and repair on their motorhomes and coaches in California. We are an OEM Dealer for Freightliner® Custom Chassis, Detroit, Cummins, and Cat.

www.californiatruckcenters.com

 

[sheridany]

@redbaron is correct. They have rolled back given the new administration.

California abandons diesel truck ban and 3 other clean-air rules before Trump is sworn in

Because Trump would be unlikely to approve them, California has no choice but to abandon its groundbreaking rules for zero-emission trucks and cleaner locomotives.

calmatters.org