CA strikes again with CARB ACT

[Raydawg]

Just saw this..... not sure if its still an issue now that it seems some sanity is starting to return back to civilization.... but in the mean time could you just say your motorhome identifies as an electric car?

 

[Rich W.]

And elections do matter. What a turn about.

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[newmarokie]

I am going to ask some questions out of pure ignorance for the forums consideration:
Is the LA basin mostly unique with their smog issues? I have seen pictures from the seventies with the brown haze hanging over that area.
I certainly seems to me it is a function of topography/geography interaction with weather patterns.
Do they have/had the same issues in San Fran or Seattle?
Are other parts of the US known for having smog issues? I know the DFW area in Texas has smog alerts from time to time during the heat of the summer when the wind dies out.
I guess where I am trying to go with these questions is, are all of us as US citizens having to pay the price to help the LA basin stay clear?

 

[Rich W.]

I am going to ask some questions out of pure ignorance for the forums consideration:
Is the LA basin mostly unique with their smog issues? I have seen pictures from the seventies with the brown haze hanging over that area.
I certainly seems to me it is a function of topography/geography interaction with weather patterns.
Do they have/had the same issues in San Fran or Seattle?
Are other parts of the US known for having smog issues? I know the DFW area in Texas has smog alerts from time to time during the heat of the summer when the wind dies out.
I guess where I am trying to go with these questions is, are all of us as US citizens having to pay the price to help the LA basin stay clear?

I haven’t read the actual proposal, but my understanding is that it’s geared only toward continuing to allow diesel engines to be sold in new vehicles in Ca. It is not aimed at removing the after treatment system, so there will really be no impact on air quality. Modern emissions diesel systems are so effective that the only things coming out of the tail pipe are nitrogen and water. This restriction was never about air quality - it was about eliminating internal combustion engine powered vehicles for other reasons.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

I am going to ask some questions out of pure ignorance for the forums consideration:
Is the LA basin mostly unique with their smog issues? I have seen pictures from the seventies with the brown haze hanging over that area.
I certainly seems to me it is a function of topography/geography interaction with weather patterns.
Do they have/had the same issues in San Fran or Seattle?
Are other parts of the US known for having smog issues? I know the DFW area in Texas has smog alerts from time to time during the heat of the summer when the wind dies out.
I guess where I am trying to go with these questions is, are all of us as US citizens having to pay the price to help the LA basin stay clear?

First thing to consider, well the only thing to consider, Is! How do our activities effect the world environment. For example! PG&E can build a generation plant just outside of Bullhead AZ, and avoid regulatory problems. However that doesn't reduce pollution/poisoning our collective environment. What it does is hide what is being done by thinning the vail so to speak.

Even if you don't live in LA the problem is yours. The same way shifting manufacturing to places like China, or other places that don't have the same controls, only serve to produce more environmental issues, even if your personal space seems more palatable.

No this is a problem that is collectively shared, and all should be willing to share in the cost to fix it.

 

[Rollin Ollen]

First thing to consider, well the only thing to consider, Is! How do our activities effect the world environment. For example! PG&E can build a generation plant just outside of Bullhead AZ, and avoid regulatory problems. However that doesn't reduce pollution/poisoning our collective environment. What it does is hide what is being done by thinning the vail so to speak.

Even if you don't live in LA the problem is yours. The same way shifting manufacturing to places like China, or other places that don't have the same controls, only serve to produce more environmental issues, even if your personal space seems more palatable.

No this is a problem that is collectively shared, and all should be willing to share in the cost to fix it.

Yep!! Here in Alberta Canada our Govt is mandating better performance of our power generating plants. We have moved from coat to natural gas but that, apparently, is still not clean enough! But, sadly, on top of the existing coal mines, a new one is being opened and a few more are in the works! The purpose.......to supply China!! It has also been proven that it is impossible for some of our headwaters to NOT be contaminated by said coal mining! I shake my head.