100 dollar a barrel oil...again.

[Voyageurs]

I still don't know how we are going to charge all these electric vehicles while we shutdown our power plants. And don't try to tell me only solar and wind will make up the difference.

Okay. But that is more of an American centric issue. Most modern nations are not expecting the 20 to 30 percent increase in grid capacity to be an issue. I get it. From what I read from all the Americans posting here and on other social media the US has some kind of 1950’s 3rd world grid that can never be improved. But most modern nations are not concerned with meeting the challenge of electrifying transportation over the next 40 years. I know nothing about electrical grids, but it sounds like It’s going to be a tough go for the US. I’m sure it’ll get figured out.

 

[Jim]

I love the incredible torque of an electric motor. I road in my buddies Tesla and it was as fast off the line, maybe even slightly faster, than my 911 Porsche. (I have to shift, he doesn't.) Not sure how the top end performance would have compared, but from a dead start, it was simply awesome.

But what are the benefits to the Nation/World that make governments push the technology so hard? I mean, I get the fossil burning pollution argument, but aren't we still going to burn fossil fuels to charge our batteries? And don't the batteries create a serious hazard when they are no longer functional?

 

[Voyageurs]

I love the incredible torque of an electric motor. I road in my buddies Tesla and it was as fast off the line, maybe even slightly faster, than my 911 Porsche. (I have to shift, he doesn't.) Not sure how the top end performance would have compared, but from a dead start, it was simply awesome.

But what are the benefits to the Nation/World that make governments push the technology so hard? I mean, I get the fossil burning pollution argument, but aren't we still going to burn fossil fuels to charge our batteries? And don't the batteries create a serious hazard when they are no longer functional?

Good questions but I think it depends on the country or region. Lots of countries don’t burn a lot of fossil fuels to produce electricity. Of course others do, but generally the trend is for cleaner grids.

The materials in batteries are worth a ton of money. They will be recycled. There are lots of companies getting into that game although there are not a lot of batteries to recycle yet.

JMHO.

 

[Jim]

The materials in batteries are worth a ton of money. They will be recycled.

JMHO.

I know nothing about batteries, but I hear that Lithium batteries are what go into the electric cars? What in the expired Lithium battery is of value and can be effectively recycled?

Edit: And more importantly, what is there in the Lithium battery that can't be recycled?

 

[Voyageurs]

I know nothing about batteries, but I hear that Lithium batteries are what go into the electric cars? What in the expired Lithium battery is of value and can be effectively recycled?

Edit: And more importantly, what is there in the Lithium battery that can't be recycled?

I think the big things that companies like redwood etc are after are aluminum, nickel, copper and of course lithium. I have read some cursury stuff on them but best to google it. It’s been awhile.

 

[sanda]

I love the incredible torque of an electric motor. I road in my buddies Tesla and it was as fast off the line, maybe even slightly faster, than my 911 Porsche. (I have to shift, he doesn't.) Not sure how the top end performance would have compared, but from a dead start, it was simply awesome.

But what are the benefits to the Nation/World that make governments push the technology so hard? I mean, I get the fossil burning pollution argument, but aren't we still going to burn fossil fuels to charge our batteries? And don't the batteries create a serious hazard when they are no longer functional?

Besides the battery hazards for disposal lithium mines around the world are creating major health problems for workers and towns around the mines.

 

[Voyageurs]

Besides the battery hazards for disposal lithium mines around the world are creating major health problems for workers and towns around the mines.

Sounds like coal mines or tar sands operations. Or fracking and ground water or deep sea drilling. . Digging anything up comes with a price.

 

[Jim]

Sounds like coal mines or tar sands operations. Or fracking and ground water or deep sea drilling. . Digging anything up comes with a price.

So we're not gaining anything? We're just changing form one pollutant to another?

 

[Voyageurs]

So we're not gaining anything? We're just changing form one pollutant to another?

Well, lots of info on that available in the internet. But no, the science has been done on that many times over.

 

[sanda]

So we're not gaining anything? We're just changing form one pollutant to another?

One of many articles related to lithium.

The Environmental Impact of Lithium Batteries

During the Obama-Biden administration, hydraulic fracturing was accused of causing a number of environmental problems—faucets on fire, contamination of drinking…

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