Electric half ton comparison chart.

[TheLooks]

Thank you for not supporting cancel culture which is what the "ahem" other side does when they don't like something.

 

[MemoriesByTheMile]

IMO - having electric powertrains gives us more options for the future. Is this a mature powertrain? Not yet.
This is still early days and the car manufacturers are not used to thinking about the energy supply side of their vehicles. They poured billions into building capabilities to make the cars without thinking about how people will charge and use them. Oops!
Once they realized this major obstacle they are now, in the US, jumping to adopt a single plug so they can leverage the largest US charging infrastructure.
I also think we have a long way to go on battery technology, battery recycling and managing our resources.
We also need to improve on tire technology and its polluting impact, for both ICE and electric vehicles.
We need ways to extend the life of any manufactured object, so much of our culture is replace instead of repair. I recall when we had TV repair shops, now we toss “broken” TVs into landfills and buy a new TV.
Maybe I am too old fashioned, but I recall and like the “ole” days when we could fix and repair things, reducing waste, conserving costs, and learning something new.
I also like progress and realize the hardest parts of many “projects” is a complete end to end requirements gathering and properly executed change management.
Even though I believe electric propulsion is a viable and important choice for transportation, in the US we have not done a good job either on understanding or addressing the end to end life cycle nor have we understood the change management needed for this technology change.

 

[Jabber Jaw]

IMO - having electric powertrains gives us more options for the future. Is this a mature powertrain, not yet.
This is still early days and the car manufacturers are not used to thinking about the energy supply side of their vehicles. They poured billions into building capabilities to make the cars without thinking about how people will charge and use them. Oops!
Once they realized this major obstacle they are now, in the US, jumping to adopt a single plug so they can leverage the largest US charging infrastructure.
I also think we have a long way to go on battery technology, battery recycling and managing our resources.
We also need to improve on tire technology and its polluting impact, for both ICE and electric vehicles.
We need ways to extend the life of any manufactured object, so much of our culture is replace instead of repair. I recall when we had TV repair shops, now we toss “broken” TVs into landfills and buy a new TV.
Maybe I am too old fashioned, but I recall and like the “ole” days when we could fix and repair things, reducing waste, conserving costs, and learning something new.
I also like progress and realize the hardest parts of many “projects” is a complete end to end requirements gathering and properly executed change management.
Even though I believe electric propulsion is a viable and important choice for transportation, in the US we have not done a good job either on understanding or addressing the end to end life cycle nor have we understood the change management needed for this technology change.

Re: The last paragraph....Has ANY NATION understood or addressed the, "end to end life cycle"??
My opinion is NO.....None have actually, nor appropriately addressed, the issue.
It is at this point, all about being a BIG MONEYMAKER for a SELECT FEW, across the WORLD!
ICE for me....No EV Plus I'm too dang OLD to ever really live to see the difference!

 

[TheLooks]

Change does not happen from the top down like you would have. It takes a gov we don't want to have that power. When a product is logical, better, and serves the needs it is designed for, it doesn't need to be pushed by agenda's. Electrical motors have been around for over 100 years and the benefits of them have been known for all that time. But energy density and portability have not changed enough to make them portable(they work great in stationary applications). New batteries are amazing, but not on the scale needed for reliable transportation. And we do not produce enough electricity and can't deliver it quickly, where its needed. Unless many are forced(monetarily or no availability)to not drive, and that is what some of us see as the underlying ultimate goal. They are already talking(local news)about rolling black outs in the Tennessee Valley next summer. And that is without plugging in electric cars. Give it another 100 years, maybe. And build a bunch of Nuke plants.

The electric powertrain is better right now, but that dang electricity/battery thing is in the way.

 

[Neal]

Think through the eyes of inventors, innovators...you have to try, and fail, and try again, and fail again, and keep trying and then you succeed. If people don't try these ideas we simply will never know. It's another option. Yes, I don't understand why we don't have nuclear power plants all over the country, as a pilot I'm seeing more solar farms than ever in places I never imagined. Harnessing the free power of the sun, well, obviously at the expense of harvesting materials (solar panels, etc.) is probably a good move.

We need to let the inventors and innovators do their thing, try, and we'll all see what happens. Maybe not, it could be beyond our lifetimes but someone needs to be thinking far downrange instead of our shortsighted short lives where quite frankly we need to be worrying about where we're going to enjoy tomorrow and make that happen.

 

[MemoriesByTheMile]

Without these innovator changes we would be hitching up our RV wagons to our steed of choice… and would be debating which steed was better.

 

[TheLooks]

Then do it on their dime since they will make the money from succeeding. You see solar panels and I see a waste of property. They are only in use because of Gov. subsidies and politics. Same with windmills.
Come to think of it, they already knew how much power was going to be generated when they started. You don't need to build a monster windmill or solar farm to calculate the output. And they did it anyways. It was a money laundering scheme from the inception. Just like Solyndra. I don't know how they can be called a success when the costs(total) outweigh the returns. And we find out the environmental costs are higher also. Where is the upside? It is not a startling new technology.
Many years ago they (big business and Gov.) wanted to put a waste ash dump in the middle of my county in Maine. After all, no one lived there, that mattered anyways, and it was remote. The hippies from Ivy league schools came out of the woodwork to fight it. You know, the people that can pronounce an ingredient on a bottle of RoundUp and tell you what it is? But what finally sunk the project was the revelation that the dump would be used for 20 years and capped with poly and clay and then.......the local taxpayers would have to pay for any problems after that. Surprise! The Gov. people would get there grift and the business people would get their profit and the people would get the shaft. I learned to follow the money early on. It makes me seem very cynical, but I have not been wrong about what drives large projects. They sell it as investing in the future. But it is their future they are investing in.

 

[TheLooks]

Without these innovator changes we would be hitching up our RV wagons to our steed of choice… and would be debating which steed was better.

And this is a typical response from "your" side that is ridiculous. Changes happen when they are proven to be a superior way to do things. And some(people)don't change as quickly for good reason. Why fix what isn't broke?

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Two words!!! Hydrogen economy!!!

So climate change is BS, the numbers, and history stats disprove it on So many levels. BUT!!!, poisoning the planet is real, seems to be the preferred method, and is of grave concern!!! Lithium is the latest of many So called advances that our quality of living have taken a very noticeable turn for the worse!

Taking a proven poor choice, and finding a way to exploit it, is not progress. Lithium as a battery is not a new thing! They have just found a way to make a volatile product less of a danger, but then hydrogen is the same! and they have found ways to deal with it's volatile nature as well. So in the name of progress, when we need to dress our families in hazmat suits, because we have no place to run and hide from our choices. IT WILL BE TO LATE!!! And we are already visiting the precipice.

 

[Neal]

Thread closed. It's not going anywhere but the wrong place.