Handgun storage in your RV?

[Chuggs]

Great article.

 

[ManlyMan]

Once I decided to get a CCW license I also decided to get Concealed Carry Insurance that provides an attorney among other benefits. Is it a waste of money? Probably because the odds of having to defend yourself is ridiculously high. However it does provide some cheap peace of mind knowing you can call a lawyer 24/7/365.

When I’m travelling in states that don’t recognize my CCW I keep the gun unloaded and stored in the RV.

 

[CaptainGizmo]

While I agree, in theory, the problem is that if you have to use your firearm for self-defense, you are already in violation of the law. That means you will be arrested and charged. And, you will probably be convicted.

Aw heck, why not fan the flames...after all, I'm in SoCal and everything is burning, shaking, and will hopefully fall into the ocean soon anyways. LOL Maybe THEN, I'll get the message to move.

So TJ,

While I'm am NOWHERE NEAR being a lawyer, I have enough LEO friends who provide me with understanding and "gut instinct". So, when I read what you say here, my gut says..."HUH?"

I did a couple fact checks to see if I was missing something. Again, I'm in Kalifornia...but we do have a "stand your ground" and the fact is, as I understand, IF SHOOTING IN SELF-DEFENSE FROM DEADLY FORCE, then you are NOT in violation of the law, NOT subject to arrest, conviction, and jail time.

I hope someone will tell me I am 100% correct. I will reach out to my experts.

 

[TJ&LadyDi]

Aw heck, why not fan the flames...after all, I'm in SoCal and everything is burning, shaking, and will hopefully fall into the ocean soon anyways. LOL Maybe THEN, I'll get the message to move.

So TJ,

While I'm am NOWHERE NEAR being a lawyer, I have enough LEO friends who provide me with understanding and "gut instinct". So, when I read what you say here, my gut says..."HUH?"

I did a couple fact checks to see if I was missing something. Again, I'm in Kalifornia...but we do have a "stand your ground" and the fact is, as I understand, IF SHOOTING IN SELF-DEFENSE FROM DEADLY FORCE, then you are NOT in violation of the law, NOT subject to arrest, conviction, and jail time.

I hope someone will tell me I am 100% correct. I will reach out to my experts.

If you check the context of my comment, you will find that it was made in response to a comment that suggested (at least to me) that restrictive firearm storage requirements would be ignored if self-defense was necessary. My point was that while I agree that such restrictions are cumbersome, ignoring them also brings with it the possibility of prosecution.

Now, I know that if faced with the choice of defending myself or adhering to cumbersome restrictions that would prevent me from doing so, I would make choice #1. That said, I would also know that my life could become very difficult in that particular environment. The eventual outcome would likely depend on the common sense of a judge and/or jury; something that is not assured these days.

TJ

 

[CaptainGizmo]

If you check the context of my comment, you will find that it was made in response to a comment that suggested (at least to me) that restrictive firearm storage requirements would be ignored if self-defense was necessary. My point was that while I agree that such restrictions are cumbersome, ignoring them also brings with it the possibility of prosecution.

Now, I know that if faced with the choice of defending myself or adhering to cumbersome restrictions that would prevent me from doing so, I would make choice #1. That said, I would also know that my life could become very difficult in that particular environment. The eventual outcome would likely depend on the common sense of a judge and/or jury; something that is not assured these days.

TJ

Gotcha TJ...same team. ? I read your comment as to say “if you’ve used your gun in self defense, you’ve already broken the law and will be convicted.”

Here is another great reference to have on hand:

https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USRVCarCarry-1.pdf

 

[Joe Hogan]

Here is a pistol mount/storage device that might be useful. Typically I do not load a round in the chamber of a Striker style pistol until it will be used. Some folks disagree with that approach, my choice.
This magnetic mount allows for a quick, single handed, movement when retrieving the pistol from the mount to charge the weapon (load a round in the chamber). Simple and quick. There are several brands on the market.

Amazon.com: GMW Gun Magnet, 43 lbs. Rating Quickdraw Fast Loader Holster, Cavalry Series Magnetic Gun Mount for Car, Truck, Desk, and Wall: Sports & Outdoors

And another brand with a video to show the charging movement.

 

[Buly]

Joe, that mount allows you to have empty chamber. it is designed, so you can just push forward and feed a round before getting it out of the mount. No need for two hands. Very well thought out.

 

[RKins]

Once I decided to get a CCW license I also decided to get Concealed Carry Insurance that provides an attorney among other benefits. Is it a waste of money? Probably because the odds of having to defend yourself is ridiculously high. However it does provide some cheap peace of mind knowing you can call a lawyer 24/7/365.

When I’m travelling in states that don’t recognize my CCW I keep the gun unloaded and stored in the RV.

Do you mean ridiculously low?

 

[ManlyMan]

Do you mean ridiculously low?

No, I mean high. Low odds means an event is likely while high odds means unlikely. Many people get this confused. It's not a fraction.

 

[AbdRahim]

This was the topic of a lengthy conversation with a bunch of (off duty) game wardens in south Texas on a BBQ/beer night. The conclusions:

1. If it's rolling, it's a vehicle.
2. If it's parked, it's a house.
3. Motorhomes are generally too difficult to stop for minor stuff (safe place to pull over, can be dangerous to get the driver's attention, etc).
4. Open bottle of wine in the refrigerator - who really cares, can't reach it from the driver seat.
5. One person advocated that if the driver didn't have a gun, to issue one.

Except for the tornados and heat I love Texas.

 

[AbdRahim]

In states where you are required to notify of ccw, it’s sort of a moot point as your ccw enables you to carry on your person in your vehicle - provided you are in the state where the ccw was issued or a state with reciprocity. If in a state where I don’t have reciprocity, I’m not sure I’d operate any differently other than not carrying directly on my person and possibly keeping my weapon out of my direct and immediate reach.

I’m not sure I agree with the notion that arrest and certainly not conviction is a matter of absolute certainty, that is, provided the following conditions are met:

1. you attempted to deescalate the situation peacefully without brandishing any weapons or making any threats
2. After being unsuccessful with condition 1, you attempted to retreat and/or vacate the area but were prevented from doing so by an aggressor
3. You OR your family are under a direct, physical assault AND the assault is is severe enough that there is a probable risk of severe AND/OR debilitating injury AND/OR loss of life
4. The assailant disregards direct, clear and concise demands to stop their assault while you are displaying your weapon

If all four of these conditions are met, in my mind the use of lethal force is justified. It is at this point that I’m willing to roll those dice and I feel confident that I will turn out okay.

there are certainly things to be said about skipping certain steps, especially step 2 when it comes to Stand Your Ground laws that some believe allow you to disregard condition 2, and that In my opinion is where things get subjective and murky.

The other area where things get vague is the Castle Doctrine and the use of lethal force to protect one’s property, which is not something I recommend. Legally, it is allowable but killing someone for stealing a TV, breaking a window, even burgling your home. Personally that’s not something I would do. I pay a lot of money to my insurance company and have no qualms about making them pay out a claim. If they want an armed guard to protect my covered assets, they can send one.

Unfortunately, the legal system will make your life miserable for a long time to come, at least temporarily confiscate your weapon, and drain your finances in legal expenses. Criminals know they have more rights than their victims. What country is this anyway?

 

[sheridany]

I also have the insurance as @AbdRahim states you can be in legal “hell” for a while even if self defense is justified on your behalf, you still have to prove it and it’s your word against the provoker should they live. They will provide bail and get you legal representation to hopefully get you out of the legal wrangling. No guarantees.

I also decided to get Concealed Carry Insurance that provides an attorney among other benefits. Is it a waste of money? Probably because the odds of having to defend yourself is ridiculously high. However it does provide some cheap peace of mind knowing you can call a lawyer 24/7/365.

 

[lemondrop9344]

For those of you that have a firearm for self protection.......... Might I suggest reading some of Mas Ayoob's writings as well as attendance to some of his training classes.

About

Massad Ayoob Group Homepage, listing of classes offered.

massadayoobgroup.com

I attended the MAG 40 class several years ago in Live Oak, Florida. The following outlines what is covered.

This is an intense, four-day, 40-hour immersion course in the “rules of engagement” for armed law-abiding private citizens. The course emphasizes legal issues, tactical issues, and aftermath management. Topics will include interacting with suspects, witnesses, responding police officers, threat recognition and mind-set, and the management of the social and psychological aftermath of having to use lethal force in defense of self or others. Also covered is preparing beforehand for legal repercussions and minimizing your exposure to them. Situations in the home, at the place of business, or “on the street” will all be covered. Range work will include instruction in the use of the defensive handgun under extreme stress. Drawing from concealment, two-handed stances, shooting from cover, one-handed stances with either hand, speed reloading, and more are taught with an overall emphasis on fast, accurate shot placement. The course will culminate with a written examination covering the classroom topics and a police-style handgun qualification course. This course is a blending of MAG 20 / Classroom and MAG 20 / Live Fire but is taught over 4 – 5 days.

I will be the 1st to admit this is not an inexpensive endeavor. However, I consider this one of the best investments I've made. As an FYI, I was the only student there with a revolver. Mas & the other instructors went out of their way to make the training revolver friendly.

 

[Joe Hogan]

Here is that handy magnetic mount that allows single handed slide action. It is well thought out in my opinion. Also when empty not readily identifiable as a pistol mount, in my opinion a very big plus. Here is a few images of the one I purchased. It has double sided tape already applied and includes mounting screws. You can find it on Amazon Amazon.com: GMW Gun Magnet, 43 lbs. Rating Quickdraw Fast Loader Holster, Cavalry Series Magnetic Gun Mount for Car, Truck, Desk, and Wall: Sports & Outdoors

 

[Buly]

Mine arrived yesterday. Have to find a place to mount it.

 

[MapNerd]

That’s pretty interesting. How exactly does it hold the firearm? By the slide? So you have the grip “dangling” so to speak or am I confused?

 

[Joe Hogan]

That’s pretty interesting. How exactly does it hold the firearm? By the slide? So you have the grip “dangling” so to speak or am I confused?

See post Sept 19th in this thread.

 

[MapNerd]

See post Sept 19th in this thread.

Sold! I don’t keep a round in the chamber either.

 

["EZ"]

You guys from California keep talking about spending all your savings defending yourselves from a Perp if you pull your gun. Jail time?? For the victim?? ? I'm extra glad I live in Georgia. Everyone here has a gun. (or 100) It's expected. In Kennesaw, GA. it's actually a law! Look it up. And if you have to pull your weapon while at McDonalds because they're being robbed, the only thing you have to worry about is getting hit by friendly fire from the other folks with guns in the dining room.

 

[LSG]

Combat leather holsters out of Buffalo Wyoming

Here’s my biased two cents worth. I really doubt I’m going to need my gun from the drivers seat as much as I would if I was outside of the vehicle. A cheap hard to draw from holsters probably worse than not even carrying a gun because you think you had protection but in reality when a second not seconds count that cheap holsters did not serve its purpose

The place above sells holsters designed for real life saving deployment of your firearm without restriction and designed to keep it in place and undetected if you want so youll wear it more often. I strongly recommend those interested in more than I’m packing as peace of mind to look at there holsters and decide that ok there not cheap but there also made to work. They can take a few months to get if you have a special order so keep that in mind but they have not sold out to some big company they make a limited number of fully functional holsters made for your specific needs.