There goes another diesel manufacturer.

[Rosy]

You need references of what ethanol does to a small engine? Go to your local small engine repair shop and see how many carburetors are sitting on their work bench in pieces... especially once spring rolls around.
Search "ethanol small engine carburetor" take your pick at any of the videos.
You don't think ethanol is destructive? I have another myth for you then, every 1% of ethanol, decreases you gas milage by very close to the same %. I don't know about the e85 vehicles, but I know that's a fact with my 2008 Ford escape, 2002 suburban, and all 5 of my motorcycles.

Ethanol also creates more smog when you burn it than gasoline does.

 

[Rosy]

The key to running ethanol in small engines is to run all the fuel out of them if you are going to store them for more than a few weeks. I'm still using chain saws, weed eaters, and generators that are 10+ years old with no problems.

I put fuel stabilizer in my lawn mower every winter. Better to keep the tank full to keep moisture out.

 

[sanda]

Ethanol also creates more smog when you burn it than gasoline does.

IMO ethanol is one of the biggest scams our government ever laid on us. Ethanol costs us HP, decreased fuel mileage and higher food costs. So many other food crops were taken out of production to make room for increased corn production. When I can find pure gas I realize 2 mpg increase and increased HP. ( 2021 ram 2500 empty).

 

[Lil'Skeet]

The key to running ethanol in small engines is to run all the fuel out of them if you are going to store them for more than a few weeks. I'm still using chain saws, weed eaters, and generators that are 10+ years old with no problems.

Most people don't do that though.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

IMO ethanol is one of the biggest scams our government ever laid on us. Ethanol costs us HP, decreased fuel mileage and higher food costs. So many other food crops were taken out of production to make room for increased corn production. When I can find pure gas I realize 2 mpg increase and increased HP. ( 2021 ram 2500 empty).

Create the "crisis", then mandate the solution. Oh yeah, make sure you and your family own stock in the "solution" before you mandate it.

 

[TheLooks]

The key to running ethanol in small engines is to run all the fuel out of them if you are going to store them for more than a few weeks. I'm still using chain saws, weed eaters, and generators that are 10+ years old with no problems.

And how inconvenient is that? I have not found a good way other then run it dry and that can take some time. I replaced the carbs on both my pressure washers last spring and had to free up the needle jet that shuts the engine down on my lawn mower. Non ethanol will gum up a chain saw in about 2 weeks.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

You need references of what ethanol does to a small engine? Go to your local small engine repair shop and see how many carburetors are sitting on their work bench in pieces... especially once spring rolls around.
Search "ethanol small engine carburetor" take your pick at any of the videos.
You don't think ethanol is destructive? I have another myth for you then, every 1% of ethanol, decreases you gas milage by very close to the same %. I don't know about the e85 vehicles, but I know that's a fact with my 2008 Ford escape, 2002 suburban, and all 5 of my motorcycles.

Have you wondered why E-85 vehicles don't have problems?

 

[TheLooks]

Oh, I owned one of those. Went to try out some E85 fuel and pumped 23 gallons of water into my truck. Huge fight and headache trying to get that covered. But I won.

 

[sanda]

Have you wondered why E-85 vehicles don't have problems?

I tried 2 tanks of E-85 in 2 different town and country vans. As I pulled out of the stations I immediately felt the reduction in HP. Fuel mileage dropped significantly. I then read the owners manual and it stated you would lose HP and oil changes had to be done more frequently. Also stated starting would be more difficult in cold climates. vaNo more E-85 for me.

 

[sanda]

And how inconvenient is that? I have not found a good way other then run it dry and that can take some time. I replaced the carbs on both my pressure washers last spring and had to free up the needle jet that shuts the engine down on my lawn mower. Non ethanol will gum up a chain saw in about 2 weeks.

Though pure gas is far better it will go bad in time. In addition gas loses about 2% of its octane per month.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

Have you wondered why E-85 vehicles don't have problems?

No, because I know that ethanol attracts moisture. I can only imagine what it does when 1000s of gallons of warm fuel gets dumped into that cool tank buried underground. I am pretty sure I haven't seen water separator on any fuel pumps and definitely not on any E85 vehicles.
Now to answer your silly question, I would take a wild guess and say that a car goes through a lot more gas than a small engine does first off. Secondly, an E85 engine has all kinds of sensors and electronics to compensate for sh!tty fuel. Third, the difference in the size of the fuel tank would come into play. Simply put, an ounce of water in a 1 gallon tank makes a lot more difference than 1 oz in a 15 gallon tank. Right? Fourth, the size of the engine, combustion chamber, and float bowl on a small engine are a tiny fraction of that in a vehicle, which means smaller changes make bigger differences. Right?
"References please" as to what you are trying to imply? Or better yet, prove me wrong.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

I tried 2 tanks of E-85 in 2 different town and country vans. As I pulled out of the stations I immediately felt the reduction in HP. Fuel mileage dropped significantly. I then read the owners manual and it stated you would lose HP and oil changes had to be done more frequently. Also stated starting would be more difficult in cold climates. vaNo more E-85 for me.

Ever seen a vehicle that was warmed up on a hot day dumping water from the tail pipe? I wonder what that's from.
It's got to come from somewhere right? So is it safe to say that same moisture ran through the top end of your engine? A little slips by them oil scraper rings on your piston. Hello bottom end and oil. Now let that vehicle sit a few weeks or months and let that water do what water does to the inside of engines. I'd guess rust and faster wear while your losing HP, gas milage and longevity.
Corn makes ethanol, ethanol vehicle exhaust good, cow eats corn, cow exhaust bad. Right?

 

[jaydee325]

Ever seen a vehicle that was warmed up on a hot day dumping water from the tail pipe? I wonder what that's from.
It's got to come from somewhere right? So is it safe to say that same moisture ran through the top end of your engine? A little slips by them oil scraper rings on your piston. Hello bottom end and oil. Now let that vehicle sit a few weeks or months and let that water do what water does to the inside of engines. I'd guess rust and faster wear while your losing HP, gas milage and longevity.
Corn makes ethanol, ethanol vehicle exhaust good, cow eats corn, cow exhaust bad. Right?

Wrong. Normal combustion process produces moisture.

Ever seen a natural gas high efficiency furnace and the amount of water that comes out of the vent drain.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

Wrong. Normal combustion process produces moisture.

Ever seen a natural gas high efficiency furnace and the amount of water that comes out of the vent drain.

I don't see any moisture coming out of my 2 gas vehicles until I fill up with ethanol. Same goes for lawn mower, chainsaws, air compressor, generators, demo saws, trowel machines, compactor, walk behind saw, (5) motorcycles, wet screed and probably a few others I'm missing. The only ones that ever taste ethanol are the vehicles when we are not local. I see a little when the weather cools and they (vehicles) first start but none once warmed up until ethanol is introduced.
Never seen a drop of moisture out of (9) diesels we run either.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

Wrong. Normal combustion process produces moisture.

Ever seen a natural gas high efficiency furnace and the amount of water that comes out of the vent drain.

Look this up...

"gas heater exhaust moisture why"

Hot air hitting cold air in a metal pipe that is not insulated is your cause.