Alert Battleborn battery safety alert

[MikeO64]

I'm not saying there isn't a problem , because obviously they have a horrible design (plastic between conductors as a thermal protection is extreme stupidity)

But I don't think his test is realistic to talk world use and why they've probably ginger this long without issue.

For example I have 6x 100 ah batteries. I NEVER discharge or recharge at full capacity, and would never do it back to back to back continuously until it failed.

My two big consumers are my 12vdc air conditioner that pulls between 60-90 amps for as long as 14 hours (that's how long I've used it). Or my induction cooktop which will pull up to 150 amps for ass long as I cook 30 -60 minutes.

No where near max capacity. I charge with 900 watts of solar and a 120amp alternator charger so I've seen 200 amps charge for a few hours before (it goes up and down because sun is rarely constant) again not near the max capacity and duration.

 

[Underboss]

Extremely poor design. He is not even trying to draw the battery ratings. Imagine if he did. If I had BB batteries, they would be going back or to a recycler. Who wants to gamble after seeing the poor internal design

 

[TheLooks]

I dodged a bullet by not being able to afford BB batteries.....LOL! Loving my Wattcycles so far.

 

[TheLooks]

I'm not saying there isn't a problem , because obviously they have a horrible design (plastic between conductors as a thermal protection is extreme stupidity)

But I don't think his test is realistic to talk world use and why they've probably ginger this long without issue.

For example I have 6x 100 ah batteries. I NEVER discharge or recharge at full capacity, and would never do it back to back to back continuously until it failed.

My two big consumers are my 12vdc air conditioner that pulls between 60-90 amps for as long as 14 hours (that's how long I've used it). Or my induction cooktop which will pull up to 150 amps for ass long as I cook 30 -60 minutes.

No where near max capacity. I charge with 900 watts of solar and a 120amp alternator charger so I've seen 200 amps charge for a few hours before (it goes up and down because sun is rarely constant) again not near the max capacity and duration.

He is only charging and discharging them at their design parameters. How can you argue with that? Just because you baby yours and they haven't failed yet? In fact he only put them at 60 amps with a 100 amp BMS....He is not a crackpot and this is not going to end well for BB or their customers.

 

[Neal]

Someone assumed no one would ever look inside one of their batteries. Probably a safe assumption, until the failure draws them in.

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

Unfortunately, the only winners in this saga will be the class action attorneys. The losers will be BB battery owners who paid thousands of dollars for basically what's turning out to be junk batteries.

 

[MikeO64]

He is only charging and discharging them at their design parameters. How can you argue with that? Just because you baby yours and they haven't failed yet? In fact he only put them at 60 amps with a 100 amp BMS....He is not a crackpot and this is not going to end well for BB or their customers.

When did I say he was a crackpot? I don't baby them, I run an air conditioner for 12 hours straight, that's nothing like pulling 50-100% of their rated capacity back to back until they fail.

I agree they are garbage, but that's $6,000 worth of batteries! That's not just something I'm going to toss to the recycler given the fact that the way they are used isn't causing a problem. I've been using them for over 5 years.

I agree that they are horribly built and BB will likely go out of business when this really gets more widely known. It's quite embarrassing for them actually because it's not a simple error, this is gross stupidity, it's like two guys in a garage decided to build a battery but have zero electrical knowledge.

 

[Neal]

What got my attention in Will's latest video is what appeared to be 3D printed parts. Parts that apparently should be metal. Big cost savings obviously. Bad design.

 

[Holdmybeer]

The word salad in the company statement should be telling. Tested to UL standards can mean anything, and if something can mean anything it can mean nothing. "Tested to" and "built to" are meantime entirely different standards. A brother in law could have tested the battery on his mother's kitchen table and the company can claim it was tested to UL standards. If however it is UL listed with the UL in the circle is must have been both built to UL standards, which that battery obviously was not, and tested to UL standards by UL, which didn't happen.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

The word salad in the company statement should be telling. Tested to UL standards can mean anything, and if something can mean anything it can mean nothing. "Tested to" and "built to" are meantime entirely different standards. A brother in law could have tested the battery on his mother's kitchen table and the company can claim it was tested to UL standards. If however it is UL listed with the UL in the circle is must have been both built to UL standards, which that battery obviously was not, and tested to UL standards by UL, which didn't happen.

UL is a testing lab? What do they actually do? And what does the wording mean?

Rather than giving My interpretation I will give a link.

What is a UL CERTIFICATION and why does it matter?

Find out all about UL Certification and why you should get one. Know the difference between UL Recognized and UL Listed Components.

www.dynamicrep.com

It might be a good idea to include a build time line. Remember that as methods get refined, products reflect those refinements.

To make the claim it looks like amateur build quality is unfair. Some of the refinements we see today likely came from studying the battery build you and Will are tearing apart as back yard builds.

No dought you can't rest on your past success, you must stay with the modern build standards, but...