Coronavirus outbreak declared global emergency

[Jim]

The Coronavirus Virus is rapidly overtaking the Chinese ability to control it. Reports say they (the Chinese) have agreed to accept help from the USA, where previously they were not. The Chinese don't ask for help unless things are bad. It might be time to find a secluded spot and dig in.

Scary times we live in.

 

[MrsOlney]

Almost makes we wish we would have got something built for off road rather than the fancy Coachmen...almost. LOL.

Seriously though, there are a lot of things to start considering right now.

 

[Jim]

These guys don't fool around !

 

[MrsOlney]

These guys don't fool around !

This is not a main stream media source, but I saw this today. Do you think that they are reporting real numbers, or do you think it’s worse than they are letting on?

 

[Jim]

This is not a main stream media source, but I saw this today. Do you think that they are reporting real numbers, or do you think it’s worse than they are letting on?

Don't be silly, the Chinese never report real numbers.

Here is an article that disputes the data, straight from the Taiwan News .

Tencent may have accidentally leaked real dat... | Taiwan News

 

[turbopilot]

The best source of ground truth information is to do daily searches on YouTube for "Wuhan VLOG". Some of these VLOG's are government sponsored while others are real citizens trying to get the word out in spite of government information management. Bottom line it does not look good.

 

[Jim]

Very good video. Everything you need to know about where it comes from, how it multiplies, etc.

 

[TJ&LadyDi]

Thanks for posting that link, @Jim; that is--indeed--good information.

TJ

 

[turbopilot]

If you really want to understand this outbreak from a world wide perspective. Watch the daily updates from Dr John Campell in the UK. He started his update series on January 24th.

Here is this mornings update.

 

[Jim]

Interesting data. Most reports I've seen tend to paint China in a poor light, both on honesty and handling of the virus. Dr. Campbell on the other hand seems to be impressed with China's handling of the situation. Good to see the infection rate in China dropping like it is. Again, assuming we can trust the Chinese to give us truthful data.

I see this virus, and the way it is spreading across the earth, as a giant wake-up call. Properly handled, this is an opportunity to prepare ourselves and to create proper procedures for the next time, when the death rate could be 80% instead of 2%. I just hope the message is received and acted upon.

 

[TJ&LadyDi]

I see this virus, and the way it is spreading across the earth, as a giant wake-up call. Properly handled, this is an opportunity to prepare ourselves and to create proper procedures for the next time, when the death rate could be 80% instead of 2%. I just hope the message is received and acted upon.

Sadly, @Jim, if past experience is any indicator, governments around the world will do just enough to get past the immediate crisis and then fall back into a stupor until the next one arises.

TJ

 

[Chargerman]

If it keeps going how it’s going it could impact the choices of RV destinations this year.

 

[turbopilot]

If it keeps going how it’s going it could impact the choices of RV destinations this year.

You won't see lines at the National Parks, since all the Chinese visitors will have a few other things to do. I just rebooked for the West Entrance to Yellowstone in June.

 

[sheridany]

Let me give you a little story from today that was a true shock to us.

My DW has not been feeling well all week after attending a work related conference last week and was getting worse with a cough and cold like symptoms. We went to urgent care first today figuring it was just a bad cold and hopefully nothing worse. Based on the finding (low oxygen flow) there they said go to the emergency room. We went into triage immediately upon arrival and they started testing etc.

When the doctor came in, my DW mentioned she had been at a conference in Los Angeles with attendees from 52 countries. We were moved immediately to a negative pressure isolation room that was alarmed and only one door into a staging room. When the nursing staff came back in, they were fully smocked, gloved with double masks and face shields. She did not have a fever but they were not taking any chances. I could not even leave the room with zero symptoms.

Minutes turned into hours of waiting for swab tests to come back as there is no real test for coronavirus. CDC is issuing alerts and protocols almost hourly every day. All tests came back negative and because she has no fever was discharged home. They had said, earlier, after being moved, to start compiling a list of anyone we had been in contact with during the past week. I am not going to lie, this was about as stressful event anyone could ever encounter, as we could have been quarantined right there for weeks.

One of the nurses told us that there was another patient at the facility on another floor in quarantine with two US Marshals with AR 15's standing guard outside the door. Not a definite case they said, but again, no one is taking chances. This is the real deal. We are staying home for the next couple of days just to be safe. Hope to never repeat this again.

A souvenir picture of our visit.

 

[Jim]

One of the nurses told us that there was another patient at the facility on another floor in quarantine with two US Marshals with AR 15's standing guard outside the door. Not a definite case they said, but again, no one is taking chances. This is the real deal.

That must have been quite frightening, especially for your wife. Glad things ended well.

 

[FL-JOE]

I believe 6,000 to 7,000 folks die from regular flu every year in the U.S. From everything I have read our country has ramped up to keep that from happening with this virus. Sheridany's above true life experience just shows how serious it is being taken here. It will certainly have a negative effect on our economy. One of my neighbors in our RV park yesterday said he is down over $130,000 so far with his stocks.

 

[turbopilot]

A souvenir picture of our visit.

It is time for everyone to withdraw from meeting in large crowds. This includes travel by public conveyance: airplane, boats, bus and rail. Also includes large indoor restaurants, theaters ect. Meeting with a small group with people you know to be well but no person contact of any kind is ok. Some risk but much lower than large crowds.

If the weather was better just retreating to some BLM land for a few months makes sense if you are over 60. The coronavirus family of viruses typically reduces infectivity moving into the Spring and Summer. Got to buy some time.

 

[sheridany]

I agree with @turbopilot. I am avoiding any places of mass gatherings, I am not taking BART into SF under any circumstances and I’ll just pay the ripoff parking cost to drive in. My concern is the workplace office and who isn’t being careful. My company already has said we may close locations and have people work from home. I am only going in when a meeting requires in person attendance.

A separate interesting angle is my DW is supposed to present at a conference in Vietnam in April and United will not refund the ticket unless the country is on the restricted travel list. She is pushing them hard to reconsider a refund including asking Amex travel services to advocate for her. So far the answer is no.

 

[TJ&LadyDi]

Scary scenario, Sheridan. I'm glad your wife is OK.

One comment you made about there being no specific test for COVID-19 is the scariest part for me. Our government has disbanded much of the infrastructure that was set up to deal with stuff like this and we are now way behind in developing reliable testing procedures. It always seems to be the case with emergency management that funds get cut back and programs get dropped when things are going well.

As a ham radio operator, I have been involved in a lot of emergency situations over the years, providing communication capability to many agencies that simply didn't prepare well. They always seem to have other uses for funds that aren't currently being used, but may be critically needed in an emergency.

TJ

 

[turbopilot]

Important to place the concerns in the right place. Big picture, based on Chinese experience, this virus will likely not kill you unless you have a preexisting significant medical condition or you are over 60. For folks under 60 and otherwise well, you may get sick, even very sick, but you are likely to have a full recovery with the best medical care. That last point is the big twist. If this thing hits full strength (hitting 30% to 60% of the population in the first year), the medical system will be so overwhelmed that the best medical care will not be possible.