It is time...for new house batteries! Likely LiFePO4 - calling all DIYers

[Neal]

I don’t intend to touch the inverter but it’s a good heat source itself. If only this was in the battery bay.

 

[Richpatty]

Agreed! But would be a problem in the summer months…. It generates a lot of heat.

 

[Rich W.]

Agreed! But would be a problem in the summer months…. It generates a lot of heat.

My Victron inverter (24/3000) and Li-ion bank were in the same space in my last two coaches and I installed a cooling fan ducted to the outside with a temp sensor (out of a Fan-tastic Fan) and variable control. But it was another set of complications and I’d rather keep things simple these days.

 

[Richpatty]

My Victron inverter and Li-ion bank were in the same space in my last two coaches and I installed a cooling fan ducted to the outside with a temp sensor (out of a Fan-tastic Fan) and variable control. But it was another set of complications and I’d rather keep things simple these days.

If I hold onto my rig, I plan to put in a vent in the basement…. I like the idea of using a fantastic fan control….

 

[Joe Hogan]

This is what the CanyonStar install looked like.

 

[Rich W.]

Then there are these Neil - also 270ah, but a little less expensive. Guess it really depends on the dimensions of you battery space. Two of these will fit in the same space as 6 GC2s - almost like they planned it that way.

270Ah 12V LiFePO4 Deep Cycle 8D Battery

The BB8D is a lithium 12V deep cycle 8D 270Ah battery and weighs 81 lbs. With the BB8D, the switch to lithium has never been easier.

battlebornbatteries.com

 

[Neal]

If I hold onto my rig, I plan to put in a vent in the basement…. I like the idea of using a fantastic fan control….

Electronics AFAIK are designed to handle the heat, run hot, etc. it’s uncomfortable for us and probably to accept but things like this, pepwaves etc get very hot.

 

[Rich W.]

Electronics AFAIK are designed to handle the heat, run hot, etc. it’s uncomfortable for us and probably to accept but things like this, pepwaves etc get very hot.

Even my Starlink router gets pretty hot. I don’t know how much power it uses (guess I could look it up) but with my house batteries failing I started turning off the inverter at bedtime because that and the fridge are too much for it now. My next trip is an extended stay at a park down south so I won’t need to replace my batteries until next spring, but when I do, it will probably be two BB 8Ds.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

If the heat circuit can be set for temperature, then I would go heated!!!

Why you ask? Well battleborn takes on some of the liability should their heating system destroy your batteries.

On the inverter I would ask them if there would be warranty issues using what you already have installed.

 

[Neal]

For reference only, @Richpatty's thread:

Move to Lithium

As an addendum to this thread, I thought I would add some "in progress" pictures and the steps I took along the way. I probably should have posted back on post #27, but better late than never. First step was to power everything down, disconnect and remove batteries. Good riddance to these rust...

rvforums.com

 

[Rich W.]

For reference only, @Richpatty's thread:

Move to Lithium

As an addendum to this thread, I thought I would add some "in progress" pictures and the steps I took along the way. I probably should have posted back on post #27, but better late than never. First step was to power everything down, disconnect and remove batteries. Good riddance to these rust...

rvforums.com

Thats a great thread on a really nice upgrade. I keep a link to it for reference.

 

[Neal]

I'm in a dilemma in how to properly size the battery capacity for LifePO4. My current house batteries (lead acid) are 900 ah (8 x 6V FLA's) and I think we all in general don't go below I'm guessing 70% SOC or anywhere near the min of 50%. So let's call it 300 ah is what we typically have available?

I can certainly go big and all in and put 3 x GC3's in which is 3 x 270 ah capacity. Even just one of these GC3's gives me about the usability capacity I've had for nearly 7 years. Or am I thinking about this wrong?

With that said, is 3 x GC3's overkill? I don't plan to run AC's or anything like that, it's simply boondocking with solar recharging during the day, or gen if no PV (sun) is available. Would 2 x GC3's be the more correct start with what I believe is a very easy expansion later of adding another if desired? I don't want to just throw away $2500 for a GC3 (on sale?) for something I will never really need or use?

My initial plan is leaning towards 2 x GC3's.

So how do you size your battery needs? What is a realistic expectation of LifePO4 capacity for a motorhome?

 

[Richpatty]

Hmmm…. I do think, based on your passed usage and comments, that two units should suffice for 80% of scenarios. It would give you about 100ah more than you have now (based on 50% LA discharged). A third one would just give you more time when the sun does not shine or during late fall/ winter months when the sun does not shine as high or long. Also, you are only one person…and probably not running hair dryers, etc. Also, if you ran down, they charge really quick with the genny as you can run the Magnum charger full tilt and they will take every amp thrown at them. Not like LA which take power at a slower rate….

I figure you could buy two, leave room for a third and decide if you need one more after 6 to 12 months of trying it out…

I will keep thinking about it….
Rich

 

[Neal]

The computer stuff I use is heavy on the power and when boondocking I typically keep the home theater stuff off. High consumers.

 

[Richpatty]

Good point….especially considering the business you are in. That could tip you into a third unit. I guess it also depends on how much you will be off grid.

After having my lithiums for a year and a half (time flies), I like having the extra capacity, but don‘t have any better argument for the third box than that…. And I know they are pricey.

 

[Joe Hogan]

We had two 320 ish LiFePo in the CanyonStar, used without air conditioning, were fine for Boondocking. We spent several days on a fireroad In November at 7000' never wanted for power.
The new bus has 960 amps. Went larger due to all electric utilities of Bus, no propane. Using the Gen for power to recharge for now.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Off grid installations generally have you with enough battery capacity for a week worth of demand!!!

That said, a couple of days storage is likely all you really need at best.

In the past when reservations were not a thing, you could just pull into a resort, if you were inclined. Your posts from the past say you don't rely on solar much anyway. Fuel, is a form of battery, if you want to look at it that way.

My response to this really is for those that are serious about Off grid capacity... if you were one of those people!!! You would also need to consider life cycles, and replacement cost, for a big bank, and that might influence your question the most.

For an example, I am off grid, because of my locational preference, two(2) days worth of power is sufficient. I would need to consider inconvenience that a smaller bank might present when a large storm came through. However a fuel powered generator for backup, would reduce both initial investment, as well as replacement costs.

Really it just translates into bragging rights! Plain and simple!!!

 

[Neal]

We had two 320 ish LiFePo in the CanyonStar, used without air conditioning, were fine for Boondocking. We spent several days on a fireroad In November at 7000' never wanted for power.
The new bus has 960 amps. Went larger due to all electric utilities of Bus, no propane. Using the Gen for power to recharge for now.

Good point in that if it’s in for service it buys you more time.

 

[BGMAC]

While looking into the Lithium myself I came across this company. Seems their prices are cheap, but I don't know much about batteries. Redodo Power—Lithium solar batteries and RV batteries!
They do have one battery that will replace all 4 of my lead acid ones.

Redodo 12V 400Ah Lithium LiFePO4 Deep Cycle Battery

The Redodo 400 Amp Hour lithium battery offers 3200W power, 6.5-hour AC power, and Group 8D size. It's ideal 400Ah deep cycle battery for solar, boats, RVs, backup systems.

www.redodopower.com

 

[Kevin D Pem]

While looking into the Lithium myself I came across this company. Seems their prices are cheap, but I don't know much about batteries. Redodo Power—Lithium solar batteries and RV batteries!
They do have one battery that will replace all 4 of my lead acid ones.

Redodo 12V 400Ah Lithium LiFePO4 Deep Cycle Battery

The Redodo 400 Amp Hour lithium battery offers 3200W power, 6.5-hour AC power, and Group 8D size. It's ideal 400Ah deep cycle battery for solar, boats, RVs, backup systems.

www.redodopower.com

re-dodo?