On our way to Alaska

[Texas Clodhopper]

. Bumps road sinking, and NO road is your treat for the day. It was rough to say the least. Then they had several miles of construction on the road where they took up the old one and you had a follow me truck through the construction site. No temp road. We had to move around all the equipment. Crazy. The motorhome looks like a dirt ball!

I'm surprised you're just now experiencing frost heaves.

 

[BGMAC]

I'm surprised you're just now experiencing frost heaves.

They were wild!.

 

[BGMAC]

I'm surprised you're just now experiencing frost heaves.

Never knew of such a thing until about 100 miles out of Whitehorse on the Klondike Highway.

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

I spoke to some rv'ers when we were in Denali and they agreed, 10 mph was too fast at times.

You may be interested in reading the following.

A Lesson on Frost Heaves

It’s hard to wrap your mind around the fact that you are driving over permanently frozen ground (permafrost) because the landscape looks normal with trees, plants, rocks, lakes, streams, etc. But that upper layer (I don’t know how deep it is) is providing insulation for the permafrost (the permanently frozen ground underneath).

If you scrape away the top layer, this allows the permafrost to melt and it turns to mush. The highways are literally built on top of the layer and the freezing/thawing of the permafrost underneath creates the frost heaves in the road surface. They’ve tried to solve the problem since 1942 when the military built the original ALCAN highway. It’s still not solved.

A 125-mile (200 km) stretch of highway in the Yukon had the poorest roads of the entire trip from Texas. We were warned that the melting and refreezing would make the highway full of ruts (parallel to the highway) and frost heaves (sunken areas and humps typically larger than speed bumps perpendicular to the highway). There were immediately plenty of both. It was a real test of the shocks, air bags, and driving skills!

The ruts were 2–3 inches deep and 6–36 inches wide running a few feet to maybe 50–100 feet parallel with the road. (From 5–8 cm deep and 15–90 cm wide and 15–30 meters long.) If you missed seeing them (thus allowing you to steer around it) these ruts would pull your tires/vehicle into the “groove” and you just had to fight it until the rut ended.

You couldn’t take your eyes off the road. If you missed slowing down for a frost heave, it would nearly launch the front wheels of the coach off the ground—even driving about 35–45 mph (55–70 kph). There were small orange flags marking many frost heaves but hundreds had no warning flags.

You might see the orange flag on one side of the road. While I could not verify this, it appeared the frost heave would be more prominent (higher) on side with the flag. Steering to the other side seemed to help. With virtually no traffic from either direction on this highway, crossing lanes was a reasonably safe maneuver.

As shown here, you might be able to spot a frost heave because the painted center line or edge line appears to weave slightly from side to side. The flags were easier to see but there were a number of frost heaves that were not flagged. There were literally thousands of frost heaves in that 125 miles (200 km).

 

[Rich W.]

I spoke to some rv'ers when we were in Denali and they agreed, 10 mph was too fast at times.

You may be interested in reading the following.

A Lesson on Frost Heaves

It’s hard to wrap your mind around the fact that you are driving over permanently frozen ground (permafrost) because the landscape looks normal with trees, plants, rocks, lakes, streams, etc. But that upper layer (I don’t know how deep it is) is providing insulation for the permafrost (the permanently frozen ground underneath).

If you scrape away the top layer, this allows the permafrost to melt and it turns to mush. The highways are literally built on top of the layer and the freezing/thawing of the permafrost underneath creates the frost heaves in the road surface. They’ve tried to solve the problem since 1942 when the military built the original ALCAN highway. It’s still not solved.

A 125-mile (200 km) stretch of highway in the Yukon had the poorest roads of the entire trip from Texas. We were warned that the melting and refreezing would make the highway full of ruts (parallel to the highway) and frost heaves (sunken areas and humps typically larger than speed bumps perpendicular to the highway). There were immediately plenty of both. It was a real test of the shocks, air bags, and driving skills!

The ruts were 2–3 inches deep and 6–36 inches wide running a few feet to maybe 50–100 feet parallel with the road. (From 5–8 cm deep and 15–90 cm wide and 15–30 meters long.) If you missed seeing them (thus allowing you to steer around it) these ruts would pull your tires/vehicle into the “groove” and you just had to fight it until the rut ended.

You couldn’t take your eyes off the road. If you missed slowing down for a frost heave, it would nearly launch the front wheels of the coach off the ground—even driving about 35–45 mph (55–70 kph). There were small orange flags marking many frost heaves but hundreds had no warning flags.

You might see the orange flag on one side of the road. While I could not verify this, it appeared the frost heave would be more prominent (higher) on side with the flag. Steering to the other side seemed to help. With virtually no traffic from either direction on this highway, crossing lanes was a reasonably safe maneuver.

As shown here, you might be able to spot a frost heave because the painted center line or edge line appears to weave slightly from side to side. The flags were easier to see but there were a number of frost heaves that were not flagged. There were literally thousands of frost heaves in that 125 miles (200 km).

This is one torture test I will not be putting my Ventana through. Much as I’d like to visit Alaska by road, it will have to be in a different vehicle.

 

[BGMAC]

I spoke to some rv'ers when we were in Denali and they agreed, 10 mph was too fast at times.

You may be interested in reading the following.

A Lesson on Frost Heaves

It’s hard to wrap your mind around the fact that you are driving over permanently frozen ground (permafrost) because the landscape looks normal with trees, plants, rocks, lakes, streams, etc. But that upper layer (I don’t know how deep it is) is providing insulation for the permafrost (the permanently frozen ground underneath).

If you scrape away the top layer, this allows the permafrost to melt and it turns to mush. The highways are literally built on top of the layer and the freezing/thawing of the permafrost underneath creates the frost heaves in the road surface. They’ve tried to solve the problem since 1942 when the military built the original ALCAN highway. It’s still not solved.

A 125-mile (200 km) stretch of highway in the Yukon had the poorest roads of the entire trip from Texas. We were warned that the melting and refreezing would make the highway full of ruts (parallel to the highway) and frost heaves (sunken areas and humps typically larger than speed bumps perpendicular to the highway). There were immediately plenty of both. It was a real test of the shocks, air bags, and driving skills!

The ruts were 2–3 inches deep and 6–36 inches wide running a few feet to maybe 50–100 feet parallel with the road. (From 5–8 cm deep and 15–90 cm wide and 15–30 meters long.) If you missed seeing them (thus allowing you to steer around it) these ruts would pull your tires/vehicle into the “groove” and you just had to fight it until the rut ended.

You couldn’t take your eyes off the road. If you missed slowing down for a frost heave, it would nearly launch the front wheels of the coach off the ground—even driving about 35–45 mph (55–70 kph). There were small orange flags marking many frost heaves but hundreds had no warning flags.

You might see the orange flag on one side of the road. While I could not verify this, it appeared the frost heave would be more prominent (higher) on side with the flag. Steering to the other side seemed to help. With virtually no traffic from either direction on this highway, crossing lanes was a reasonably safe maneuver.

As shown here, you might be able to spot a frost heave because the painted center line or edge line appears to weave slightly from side to side. The flags were easier to see but there were a number of frost heaves that were not flagged. There were literally thousands of frost heaves in that 125 miles (200 km).

Once we figured out what the flags were it was not as bad. It was just the first few times. Yes you are on the wheel at all times, and yes I was switching lanes for the best path. Just something you have to learn.

 

[BGMAC]

We’re getting ready to head out to Chicken AK in the morning. Here are some more pictures around Dawson City.

 

[Rich W.]

We’re getting ready to head out to Chicken AK in the morning. Here are some more pictures around Dawson City.

Looking good - anything pan out?

 

[BGMAC]

We made it to Chicken AK today. Not a long drive, but kind of a cool place to stop. There is no electricity for the community. Each business generates their own power.

 

[Buster]

Nice pictures. How was the Top of the World Highway? I'm planning a similar venture in a couple of years along that route.

 

[BGMAC]

It was bad, but not as bad as people let on. You just have to go slow in some places. You’ll never get up to the speed limit. By map it says it will take you 1 1/2 hrs. Expect twice that. We spent the night in Chicken. All you get is power or dry camp which is what we did for $28. We could have used a pullin along side of the road but we had to see the little community. We did slip with a momma moose and her baby this morning.

 

[BGMAC]

We’re in Northern Lights RV campground for tonight near Glennalen AK. We did not get an air raid signal at all, but were were bombarded with mosquitoes. Thousands of them. Relentless atttack. The dogs could not handle it and went back to the rv. We could not get the door open and closed fast enough. Hundreds of them got in and we spent 45 min swatting and killing them. Crazy. Guess we’re stuck inside.

 

[Buc]

We made it to Chicken AK today. Not a long drive, but kind of a cool place to stop. There is no electricity for the community. Each business generates their own power.

man, I really need to get back up that way. Oddly, a friend was in Chicken yesterday as well. She’s riding her bike, and this was the sixth day out of Skagway.

 

[Rich W.]

We’re in Northern Lights RV campground for tonight near Glennalen AK. We did not get an air raid signal at all, but were were bombarded with mosquitoes. Thousands of them. Relentless atttack. The dogs could not handle it and went back to the rv. We could not get the door open and closed fast enough. Hundreds of them got in and we spent 45 min swatting and killing them. Crazy. Guess we’re stuck inside.

I hunt mosquitos before bed by turning most of the lights off and panning a flashlight along the surface of the ceiling (and any other flat surface). This easily reveals skeeters by their shadows that you would otherwise not notice until they are in your ear in the middle of the night after mercilessly biting you anywhere they can. This is a nightly ritual for me on skeeter country.

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

I wonder how beneficial one of the Thermacell products would be in battling the mosquitos?

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[BGMAC]

I wonder how beneficial one of the Thermacell products would be in battling the mosquitos?

Shop Outdoor Mosquito Repellents & Mosquito Control Products

Thermacell offers effective mosquito repellent and tick control solutions including portable mosquito repellers, outdoor patio shield and tick control…

www.thermacell.com

My wife said these guys are so tuff they’d sniff mosquito fog like a drug and laugh at us. Lol

 

[BGMAC]

We made it to Whittier AK. Very scenic drive getting there and then going through the tunnel. They had a summer solstice cardboard boat race at the town docks with free food. It was a bit of fun. Then looked at the Buckner building my dad built in the early fifties. We’re staying an extra day. A lot of little shops and history here.

 

[Jim]

Great trip so far! Keep those pics coming!

 

[Neemer]

Great trip so far! Keep those pics coming!

What he said.

It appears you found a way to get your coach washed?

 

[Buster]

I used to read your narrative and then open the pictures. Now I open the pictures first while drinking my coffee and then read about what I just saw. Thanks for taking the time to post these, very informative. Safe travels!!