Diesel Prices Are Going Up Really Fast

[Voyageurs]

Sadly, if it were that simple there wouldn't be a problem. The Oil Companies are not the price setters...anymore than ranchers set the price for their beef or fishermen set the high price of seafood. Ranchers raise beef, fishermen catch fish and oil companies explore and drill for oil. Although supply and demand generally determines price, many other factors contribute. When a government discourages the exploration and drilling of carbon resources, the supply is affected. Under Trump we encouraged exploration and drilling; now it's the exact opposite. Instead of selling oil and natural gas we import it from other sources that set the price. (that is, we pay more)


Just to address your comment about oil companies raising prices to encourage electric cars, I'm certain you said that in jest. What our oil companies are looking (and hoping) for is an indication from our administration that the USA would like to become energy independent once more. If that doesn't happen then it's going to be tough on us RV'ers. But on my original point...California will not be able to provide adequate electricity for all it's needs beginning this summer...time will tell if I'm right...or wrong And that includes electric cars...

Yah. Could be. I’m not american so don’t know enough to comment. Hope it works out for you.

Cheers and safe travels.

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

You don't have to be an American to understand the basic economics of supply and demand.

 

[Voyageurs]

You don't have to be an American to understand the basic economics of supply and demand.

Yah for sure. But I am not familiar with the supply and demand issues in the US so prefer not to make comments on things I am not informed on.

Fuel prices affect my wife and I in an indirect way thru food and goods prices. But they tend not to affect our RV lifestyle or even daily driving as our vehicle (which is also our tow vehicle) is electric.

I do take notice when avocados go up though. .

Safe travels Tex.

 

[sanda]

Sadly, if it were that simple there wouldn't be a problem. The Oil Companies are not the price setters...anymore than ranchers set the price for their beef or fishermen set the high price of seafood. Ranchers raise beef, fishermen catch fish and oil companies explore and drill for oil. Although supply and demand generally determines price, many other factors contribute. When a government discourages the exploration and drilling of carbon resources, the supply is affected. Under Trump we encouraged exploration and drilling; now it's the exact opposite. Instead of selling oil and natural gas we import it from other sources that set the price. (that is, we pay more)


Just to address your comment about oil companies raising prices to encourage electric cars, I'm certain you said that in jest. What our oil companies are looking (and hoping) for is an indication from our administration that the USA would like to become energy independent once more. If that doesn't happen then it's going to be tough on us RV'ers. But on my original point...California will not be able to provide adequate electricity for all it's needs beginning this summer...time will tell if I'm right...or wrong And that includes electric cars...

High fuel prices are also tough on anyone who eats, has utilities, drives a car/truck, maintains a home, or I guess everyone that doesn't live in a cave and hunts with a bow and arrow.

 

[sanda]

Yah for sure. But I am not familiar with the supply and demand issues in the US so prefer not to make comments on things I am not informed on.

Fuel prices affect my wife and I in an indirect way thru food and goods prices. But they tend not to affect our RV lifestyle or even daily driving as our vehicle (which is also our tow vehicle) is electric.

I do take notice when avocados go up though. .

Safe travels Tex.

Does your electric tow vehicle need to be charged from a power company? That energy is also increasing a lot. I guess if you charge with solar panels you wouldn't be affected until you had to replace your panels.

 

[Voyageurs]

Does your electric tow vehicle need to be charged from a power company? That energy is also increasing a lot. I guess if you charge with solar panels you wouldn't be affected until you had to replace your panels.

Yes. We get our power from BC hydro. They actually just applied to the utilities commision to lower their rates so we haven’t seem much increase in rates in the last 7 years. Adjusted for inflation our power is roughly the same as it was in the late 70’s. I’m sure it will go up though. Just the way it is.

Having said that, 7 years ago when we switched to electric it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric. Now it’s 6 times. Our utility is applying to introduce time of use rates. If they do it will drop it to 12 times cheaper than gasoline when charging at home between midnight and 5 AM. Fingers crossed.

Cheers.

 

[J&JD]

If one believes much of this price hike is intentional (to encourage electric car ownership), then this will interest you. Today California announced statewide shortages of electricity. Cautioned that rolling brownouts will be the norm throughout the coming summer months. All this while they are shutting down our only remaining nuclear power plant (Diablo Canyon) which provides between 10-15 percent of our power. So what happens when you can't charge your electric car ? I'm thinking you have to hook it up to a gas burning generator...another head scratcher

Golly, our governor, who I normally do not agree with, is suggesting we keep it open for now. Judy D

 

[Rich W.]

Yup, just paid over $300 today in IL for 57 gallons.

Paid $300 for 44 gallons in Napa last week

 

[Voyageurs]

thats just plain stupid. You own an electric car for some misguided notion about saving the planet (as if we can and/or that it needs it, and/or that electricity doesn't come primarily from fossil fuels) and you have to sit on your hands for 5 hours per day? Some day the ”narrative” will be corrected to reflect a little reality and maybe some common sense. I hope.

Why would you have to sit on your hands for 5 hours?

 

[Rich W.]

to wait until 9pm to plug in your car so you can proceed with your urgent mission. I guess you could do something else. Read a book, Play solitary, write your novel…..I was extemporizing as I am wont to do from time to time.