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SCARY.......Lithium Battery Fires!!

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A great point Neal! Insurance companies need but a small excuse (reason) to raise premiums anymore!
I do know that I will not be buying a "Tesla", nor any other EV! Mainly because I'm too dang old!;)
Probably not old but too dang smart.😎
 
I'm glad this hasn't run (completely) off the rails yet but battery chemistries make a big difference. The airline industry, being fairly risk averse, has prohibited multiple lithium battery containing toys and devices. I have a friend who's a section leader at BMW down the road, he shared with me pictures of their compromised battery containment unit, it looks like it's supposed to contain the energy of a detonating H bomb. I have an uncle who's an executive at Michelin tire, they're sitting on warehouses full of EV specific tires because they can't move them. There appears to be three reasons; 1) Range. 2) Price. 3) Safety. Range is what it is, it will work for some people's situations and it won't for others. The price, well, very little hasn't fallen victim to hyperinflation since 1/21. EV manufacturers tout lower production costs yet we see higher price tags for an EV vs. ICE vehicles so apparently the bean counters are channeling Gordon Gekko. Safety, safety is the wild card. While some EV manufacturers are offering longer charging cords to ensure people can charge their vehicle outside vs. in the garage, others are turning the battery's catastrophic failure vent into the cab instead of outside the vehicle. I know 100+ years ago, some thought it a good idea to route the vehicle's exhaust into the cab for heat, but they didn't know any better. It seems to me we should have evolved past the practice of venting anything dangerous into the cab of any vehicle (police interceptor Explorers notwithstanding). Battery technology will continue to evolve and become safer, hopefully being able to compete in the free market without subsidies or mandates but I'm not holding my breath on either of those.
 
This battery space is not well or widely understood. Early in my career I worked at Duracell. Battery damage by leaking at that time was more common than fires but fires did happen. This is with relatively small D C and AA batteries .EV or household batteries with a different chemistry are a whole new level of risk.
When we installed solar and batteries at the house we went with a Trusted professional product and installer, Tesla. If there is a problem Tesla should stand behind installation.
Or at least there is a legal route to satisfy issues.
 
Anybody know what battery is in your phone?
 
I'm curious to know your thoughts. So, in electric cars, how many fires verses gas cars do you think there are. I mean are we nervous just because it's new, or is the threat less or more then what we are accustomed to.
 
I own a Tesla, and just to give my perspective. My car has not lite on fire yet. :) It costs me about $10 to fill up. It accelerates from 0 to 60 in under 3 seconds, I don't need to change the oil. It's my most favorite car that I've ever owned. I've personally seen more gas cars on fire then Teslas. I think Tesla has the battery stuff well figured out, (other manufacturers I'm not so sure about).
 
Mine phone uses two 9V.

I don't think fires are scary, I think the potential for spontaneous combustion is. There's certainly more gasoline powered vehicle fires, largely (just kidding, exclusively) due to the fact that there's more gasoline powered vehicles. I certainly think Tesla is ahead of the curve in battery safety (being non-union no doubt helps) but it's still a work in progress. I used to have a need for speed when I was 16, in my 20's when I could afford it, I had a ZX10R, 47mpg, $300/yr to insure, under $12K, 0-60 in mid 2's, my best E.T. was 9.9X at a tick over 150 with the front dialed down and rear tire pressure set perfectly, it did cost me about $12 to fill up though. Quick acceleration has always been available, Tesla has presented it in such a way that skill is no longer required.
 
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Answering Neal’s question about battery type in phones.

Phone batteries are almost always one of the more energy dense chemistries, hence riskier chemistries. Not sure of the recent phones, but a few years back Apple was using LiCoO2.

These higher energy dense chemistries are also the ones that can change size as they discharge/charge. Hence why we will see these batteries “swell”.
 
I'm curious to know your thoughts. So, in electric cars, how many fires verses gas cars do you think there are. I mean are we nervous just because it's new, or is the threat less or more then what we are accustomed to.
I think folks would be surprised how many gasoline powered vehicles burn to the ground every week. However, Fire Response units know how to deal with these.

In 2021, there were around 174,000 highway vehicle fires reported in the United States. This is a slight increase from the previous year, where there were 173,000 highway vehicle fires reported across the country.
 
There are approximately 250 million vehicles on the road in the US and less than 1% are EVs. I feel comfortable wagering there are many more ICE fires every year than EV fires. The question should be, what percentage of EV fires versus ICE fires of the total vehicles on the market?
 
Here is a friend’s gasoline powered vehicle that literally just burst into flames while parked this fall. straight gasoline powered tech.
it happens
 

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Anybody know what battery is in your phone?
The Chinese, in all of their wisdom (cough, cough), do not reveal the chemistry of the battery. They say standard Li ion battery. Duh!!
 
What is the most common cause of gasoline powered car fires?
 
There are approximately 250 million vehicles on the road in the US and less than 1% are EVs. I feel comfortable wagering there are many more ICE fires every year than EV fires. The question should be, what percentage of EV fires versus ICE fires of the total vehicles on the market?
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