There goes another diesel manufacturer.

[Voyageurs]

Interesting read. Sign of the times and an ever shrinking tail pipe market.

Volvo Confirms It Will End Diesel Engine Production Next Year

The Swedish automaker's diesel market share has declined in Europe recently and the company is committed to 100 percent electric vehicle sales by 2030.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[jaydee325]

This is for diesel automobiles, which Volvo has not sold in the US for a few years now.

Will Volvo phase out heavy duty diesel engines and heavy trucks? Sure, but I expect a time table comparable to all the others.

I read a article in a trade publication I subscribe to last month that said the major heavy diesel market is being slow to respond to EVs, which is impacting the inflow of R&D money to further develop EV over the road heavy trucks etc. Timetable to full electrification appears to be slipping by the day. It will happen though.

 

[DennisT]

I doubt they phase out the heavy equipment diesels.

Friend of ours works at a quarry and all their heavy equipment, trucks, etc are Volvo powered.

That has to be a pretty big side of their business.

 

[Voyageurs]

I doubt they phase out the heavy equipment diesels.

Friend of ours works at a quarry and all their heavy equipment, trucks, etc are Volvo powered.

That has to be a pretty big side of their business.

Probably. But the electric heavy mining equipment market is growing rapidly right now.

 

[Bigblockyeti]

Growing, yes. Competing effectively, no.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

It's going to be decades at best for electric to compete with diesel. International is trying with electric medium duty trucks and they are a joke. In 5 years when the batteries need replacing they cost more than the truck is worth. They can't even go 150 miles on a charge. I have solved the problem with my Tesla. Unlimited power... range.... infinity.
Heavy equipment replaced by electric, not in any of our lifetimes. You can't put a hydraulic piece of equipment in "neutral" and tow it to your little charging station. Not easily anyway. I can't keep a battery working on my phone for more than 3 years.

 

[TheLooks]

Tell a lie long enough and often enough and it becomes the truth.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

Tell a lie long enough and often enough and it becomes the truth.

Agree 100%. Boys can have babies nowadays.

 

[Voyageurs]

It's going to be decades at best for electric to compete with diesel. International is trying with electric medium duty trucks and they are a joke. In 5 years when the batteries need replacing they cost more than the truck is worth. They can't even go 150 miles on a charge. I have solved the problem with my Tesla. Unlimited power... range.... infinity.
Heavy equipment replaced by electric, not in any of our lifetimes. You can't put a hydraulic piece of equipment in "neutral" and tow it to your little charging station. Not easily anyway. I can't keep a battery working on my phone for more than 3 years.

Hard to say. Locally class 6-8 trucks are commonly being replaced by electrics. They are usually used in a delivery capacity between the local cities. They generally charge them overnight on L2 J1772 chargers set up in the depot/warehouse parking lot. Once in awhile we see them parked at the local Tim Hortons DC fast charger sucking up a few electrons while the driver gets lunch.

Anyway. They sell them as fast they build them so no lack of custumers.

Here is a couple pics of one at the local DC fast charger down the street from us. Kinda cool. Some of them have reefer configurations.

 

[Lil'Skeet]

Where do you live? I have never seen any of them shenanigans, ever, anywhere I've been. I guess they charge you per kW?

 

[sanda]

Ford says they are losing tens of thousands on every ev they sell. When the government subsidies run out the craze will be over.

 

[Voyageurs]

Where do you live? I have never seen any of them shenanigans, ever, anywhere I've been. I guess they charge you per kW?

You mean the chargers? Yes. Typically based on speed. So a 50 kw machine might charge you 21 cents whereas a 250 kw machine might be double that. Also sometimes depends on the time of day. Eg, middle of the night might be 14 cents kwh even on a 250 kw machine.

We charge mostly at home at 9 cents per kWh but after a certain amount of kWh in a month it jumps to 14 cents…ish. Plus tax etc etc.

Tesla superchargers are more common. This is a pic of us stopped at a supercharger in Kamloops. This one was at the welcome centre. Even has a sani dump. Handy as a last stop when coming home from a camping trip.

Most super charger stations have 12 to 24 chargers. Some have 100. This one is in hope we like it because it has trailer stalls on the one side. That and a great coffee and bran muffin place

Cheers.

 

[sheridany]

I hope they don’t phase out commercial engines because all Prevost buses are running volvo engines and they are owned by Volvo.

 

[Bigblockyeti]

The short distance local haul applications are where I could see these being useful. Those who's business is that only, it makes sense to shift the majority of the fleet to electric provided all the charging locations for the delivery miles are ironed out. The problem is those trucks have such a wide use for so many different applications, many that would not afford charging options as often as needed. I'm looking forward to when electric vehicles can compete on their own merit without the need for taxpayer funded credits, charging stations the government has kept their hands out of and shorter charging times.

 

[TheLooks]

He is a pro at positive messaging and misrepresenting reality. Probably the best at it I have seen. When we were out of electricity for 20+ days after the ice storm of 98 in Maine, it was solid fuel(wood) and generators keeping the gas flowing that saved the day. And gas keeping the generators running. Nothing like a small emergency to illustrate reality in short order.

 

[Voyageurs]

He is a pro at positive messaging and misrepresenting reality. Probably the best at it I have seen. When we were out of electricity for 20+ days after the ice storm of 98 in Maine, it was solid fuel(wood) and generators keeping the gas flowing that saved the day. And gas keeping the generators running. Nothing like a small emergency to illustrate reality in short order.

Generators are so inexpensive now. We have two x dual fuel unit. One for home backup and one for charging the trailer batteries when dry camping. We run them both on propane to avoid carb varnishing issues which was a problem for us with our old Honda. Handy things. I swear they were more expensive 30 years ago.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

It's going to be decades at best for electric to compete with diesel. International is trying with electric medium duty trucks and they are a joke. In 5 years when the batteries need replacing they cost more than the truck is worth. They can't even go 150 miles on a charge. I have solved the problem with my Tesla. Unlimited power... range.... infinity.
Heavy equipment replaced by electric, not in any of our lifetimes. You can't put a hydraulic piece of equipment in "neutral" and tow it to your little charging station. Not easily anyway. I can't keep a battery working on my phone for more than 3 years.

Your pic says it all! I see a storm brewing!!!

 

[Jim]

You mean the chargers? Yes. Typically based on speed. So a 50 kw machine might charge you 21 cents whereas a 250 kw machine might be double that. Also sometimes depends on the time of day. Eg, middle of the night might be 14 cents kwh even on a 250 kw machine.

We charge mostly at home at 9 cents per kWh but after a certain amount of kWh in a month it jumps to 14 cents…ish. Plus tax etc etc.

Tesla superchargers are more common. This is a pic of us stopped at a supercharger in Kamloops. This one was at the welcome centre. Even has a sani dump. Handy as a last stop when coming home from a camping trip.

Most super charger stations have 12 to 24 chargers. Some have 100. This one is in hope we like it because it has trailer stalls on the one side. That and a great coffee and bran muffin place

Cheers.

I am curious about these charging stations. Where does all this electricity come from?

 

[Voyageurs]

I am curious about these charging stations. Where does all this electricity come from?

Usually the grid. Some have solar canopies but that is still integrated into the grid. So yah, the grid.

 

[Joe Hogan]

Prominent industry experts says electric semis break the laws of Physics..

Head Of Daimler Trucks Claims Laws Of Physics Same In California As They Are In Germany - CleanTechnica

The head of the truck division at Daimler says the laws of physics are the same in California as they are in Germany. He strongly doubts that Tesla will release an electric truck with up to 500 miles of range any time in the foreseeable future.

cleantechnica.com

It is impossible....

Elon says "Impossible" just takes a little longer to produce...

Elon Musk on Getting the Impossible Done | NextBigFuture.com

Lex Friedman asked Elon Musk:

www.nextbigfuture.com

https://www.tesla.com/semi