Border checkpoints to consider in trip planning

[Kevin D Pem]

I was born and raised in El Paso.

I have gone through the check points spoken about many times and have never had a single issue. Especially those check points are looking for anything and everything. They are looking for explosives, nuclear devises, radioactive material and on and on.
Especially today it is very easy to smuggle anything into the US. These folks are one of the first points to catch only God knows what being smuggled into the US.

As a kid my family very regularly went to Juarez to shop, have lunch and so on. My dad was very specific every time we came back across we declared everything cigarettes, booze, food, clothes... When asked about our citizenship every time we said American. Being a smart ass would be a really bad idea then.

Those check points are there to protect you.

So one of my favorite quotes says it all!!! However sovereignty is the major talking point of constitutional law! You are therefore entitled to your opinion, as I am. We must agree to disagree!!!

This is one of my favorite quotes!

That famous quote by Benjamin Franklin that “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

 

[RVThereYet]

Oh please, let me be the one behind to catch the action when Kevin D Pen tells the CBP...
"No!, if you don't have a warrant, you can't come in my motorhome!"
It has been awhile since I've seen someone hauled off in handcuffs!! LOL
They are just doing their job. Give them reason and they can go thru your stuff all day long!

 

[Jim]

He’s probably willing to dig a hole for them at the checkpoint

Neals got me booked. Something about making his pool a little deeper . . .

 

[AbdRahim]

Neals got me booked. Something about making his pool a little deeper . . .

You can pull a pool behind a Ventana? Wow! What a life that guy lives!

 

[CaptainGizmo]

The fact that border patrol can “Search” your “motor home” makes this a very disturbing and long, legal conversation. Gonna have to ask the question that applies to every “vehicle”; never allow a search and never allow anything to cause a visual reason for one. That’s the standard 2A training.

For a “border agent” to come INTO your RV, I still have to fall back onto your 4A Rights to protect you from illegal search and seizure. I wouldn’t expect a US agent to be corrupt as to breach that Right. Now…a Mexico agent? All bets are off the table…Along with your Rights.

Our friends were inspected (for over 2 hours) at the Canadian Border and ended up with a broken bay door that had to be Duct Taped closed!

They found out that the border entry rules can change by the hour, and ended up losing all the poultry and dairy products.

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

Now…a Mexico agent? All bets are off the table…Along with your Rights.

If you're being inspected by a Mexico agent it means that you are entering Mexico - you do know that Mexico follows Mexican law, and not US law, right?

 

[CaptainGizmo]

If you're being inspected by a Mexico agent it means that you are entering Mexico - you do know that Mexico follows Mexican law, and not US law, right?

Yes. That was my point for bringing up Mexico.

 

[newmarokie]

I just found a good article about what agents can and cannot do. I tried for several minutes to copy and paste on my tablet. No joy. Before everyone assumes I am totally techno illiterate, I am just moderately so. I can do it just fine on a desktop. Google "border agents right to inspect"

 

[CaptainGizmo]

Before we get a lot of conjecture here, I think it’s wise that we reference the law for Border Patrol and not a simple Agricultural check.

So I went right to the source, CBP Customer Service.
and immediately found this quotation:

“Border Patrol checkpoints do not give Border Patrol Agents carte blanche to automatically search persons and their vehicles, other than in the manner described above. To conduct a legal search under the Fourth Amendment, the agents must develop particularly probable cause to conduct a lawful search.”

 

[Rich W.]

Before we get a lot of conjecture here, I think it’s wise that we reference the law for Border Patrol and not a simple Agricultural check.

So I went right to the source, CBP Customer Service.
and immediately found this quotation:

“Border Patrol checkpoints do not give Border Patrol Agents carte blanche to automatically search persons and their vehicles, other than in the manner described above. To conduct a legal search under the Fourth Amendment, the agents must develop particularly probable cause to conduct a lawful search.”

but probable cause can be pretty easy to establish on the spot based on some fairly loose interpretations even if it might be overturned later.

 

[TheLooks]

but probable cause can be pretty easy to establish on the spot based on some fairly loose interpretations even if it might be overturned later.

But this is part of why we are where we are today. Most just want to go along to get along and the city dwellers are most trained in this area. The cities have long beaten people down. You can't fight city hall right? It all boils down to corruption. So the fly over people are being displaced and overwhelmed with illegals and the city dwellers make sure those illegals can drive and work and vote. Because one city outweighs all the fly over people. This is why Trump is hailed(in flyover country), and why the new border bill is being pushed thru by City dwellers and Rino's. You cannot take politics out of discussions when the sides are so starkly drawn. In the next election for President, you will vote for America or the World. As my favorite talk radio host says, "You can't bring there here without here becoming there." Period
Feel free to slap me down or remove this post Neil.

 

[Rich W.]

But this is part of why we are where we are today. Most just want to go along to get along and the city dwellers are most trained in this area. The cities have long beaten people down. You can't fight city hall right? It all boils down to corruption. So the fly over people are being displaced and overwhelmed with illegals and the city dwellers make sure those illegals can drive and work and vote. Because one city outweighs all the fly over people. This is why Trump is hailed(in flyover country), and why the new border bill is being pushed thru by City dwellers and Rino's. You cannot take politics out of discussions when the sides are so starkly drawn. In the next election for President, you will vote for America or the World. As my favorite talk radio host says, "You can't bring there here without here becoming there." Period
Feel free to slap me down or remove this post Neil.

Politics aside, part of the problem, and a very large part at that, is too much constraint being placed upon law enforcement, to the point that laws are no longer enforced, which is why we are in the situation you described.

 

[sheridany]

I'm building a new deep end to the RVF pool as this thread has gone right into the deep end again. Chill people. The OP was making fellow RVers aware of checkpoints. I personally don't care about them as I have nothing to hide or fear of them. I've been through them, they are of no concern to me. Now can we not go into level 10 diagnostics on threads like this?

Please READ what Neal said. My intent of this as the OP was purely “ informational” as I thought it was interesting as I have not encountered it yet in my travels. I erred in judgement. My apologies. It was NOT intended to turn the threads into a political debate of right from wrong left from right and everything in between. If you want to have that discussion be my guest…..I ask you kindly to take it to another thread another forum whatever is easiest to carry it on. I regret I put it up and responded a couple of times within and will heed better judgement next time.

 

[Rich W.]

Please READ what Neal said. My intent of this as the OP was purely “ informational” as I thought it was interesting as I have not encountered it yet in my travels. I erred in judgement. My apologies. It was NOT intended to turn the threads into a political debate of right from wrong left from right and everything in between. If you want to have that discussion be my guest…..I ask you kindly to take it to another thread another forum whatever is easiest to carry it on. I regret I put it up and responded a couple of times within and will heed better judgement next time.

My intent was to steer this back into apolitical territory and reiterate my support for the work being done on the border. I’m sensing that you have to have really experienced it (quite a bit more than one or two random contacts) to understand it, so there is probably no point in further discussion. But I don’t see the thread as regrettable because if you remove feelings and agendas from the discussion, there is some good information here.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

My intent was to steer this back into apolitical territory and reiterate my support for the work being done on the border. I’m sensing that you have to have really experienced it (quite a bit more than one or two random contacts) to understand it, so there is probably no point in further discussion. But I don’t see the thread as regrettable because if you remove feelings and agendas from the discussion, there is some good information here.

Thank you Rich!
One opinion talks, are not realistic, nor healthy!

Carry on!!!

 

[CaptainGizmo]

Sheridan,

I found this topic very interesting, and have learned a lot from wanting to "dig" a little further...it's been eye-opening; to say the least!

I just found this good page from ACLU...

Know Your Rights | 100 Mile Border Zone | ACLU

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects people from random and arbitrary stops and searches. Although the federal government claims the power to conduct certain kinds of warrantless stops within 100 miles of the U.S. border, important Fourth Amendment protections still apply. This...

www.aclu.org

It mentions the 100-mile concept you mentioned and...wow...as the map will show, that area covers one heckuva lot of the big cities; ie. LA, San Diego, Houson, and ALL of Florida. LOL..or not so LOL.

I like the chart on that page made to explain the different points that may cause a search. (see attached)

Even though we have nothing to hide, like Neal, except some frozen pineapple pizza (which is grossly illegal in my law of pizza) in case we run into him, I still would feel uncomfortable having our coach searched. For example, I have CBD oils for my back; what "IF" those were considered illegal?

Tonight, I listened to a USCCA presentation about traveling with firearms; to "KNOW WHERE YOU GO". In that show, they mentioned that in some states HOLLOW-POINTS are illegal; so, again, what "IF"?

With all the stupid youtubers running around provoking a "1st Amendment Audit" against cops, it's caused a few discussions from my buddies on what our "rights" really are, what you can do, and what you don't have to. And, with all the 2A battles going on, that right is also been at the forefront of my mind lately.

So now, thanks to @sheridany, I've gotta squish to make some room in my noggin to put this 4A topic in there!

Never too old to learn something new every day!

 

[Texas Clodhopper]

We recently passed a law in Texas to add to and enforce what our LEO's can do but unfortunately, there was one little oversight in the law. The law specifies that we can apprehend and charge the illegals with coming into the state illegally and when found guilty we must return them to their home country. That may be Mexico, Columbia, China, Iran, etc. The county of apprehension must pay for the transportation. Texas is already spending billions of dollars doing what the federal government is charged with doing but as we all know, they are not.

 

[AbdRahim]

They should go back in a shipping container with enough hole fir them to breath - to save money, since you and I have to pay. Sorry.

 

[TheLooks]

How do you suppose they got here with fresh clothes, new cell phones, shiny sneakers, and a smile?

 

[Joe Hogan]

If you are interested in how these "migrants" are funded and moved The Tucker Carlson Encounter: Bret Weinstein at the Darien Gap