DEF Head Failure

[Old-RV'er]

Ouch, we went to MH to change out stuff on Wednesday, Murphy RegU, was 2.789 going over. Later in day, had to get tractor diesel, RegU was then 2.989, today it dropped to 2.969. They were getting a drop while we were leaving, no change in price. Diesel, weird, was still cheaper than RegU by a few cents. Have safe travels everyone. Going to be interesting summer.

 

[flyboy013]

Prepare for 5.49 Diesel in CA. We are in CA headed for IN,IL ID CA on the 20th Safe travels.

I'm going to try to avoid buying diesel in CA. Plan on purchasing fuel in Las Vegas (currently $3.50) and then after going to Palmdale for a week, head north via Carson City/Reno ($3.30). Then I'm thinking I'll pass thru Yakima WA area ($3.50). Looking to avoid Portland.

 

[J&JD]

Plan on purchasing fuel in Las Vegas (currently $3.50) and then after going to Palmdale for a week, head north via Carson City/Reno ($3.30). Then I'm thinking I'll pass thru Yakima WA area ($3.50). Looking to avoid Portland.

395 north to Carson City is one of our favorite drives. If you haven’t explored the Alabama Hills where many of the old western films were shot you are missing an amazing area. Manzanar National Monument, a Japanese internment camp during WWII near Independence is also worth a visit. All in all a really nice rv experience.

 

[Old-RV'er]

Good Plan!, PDX at last heard, still experiencing significant unrest. Good Luck, if, I-84, Heyburn, ID, great County Park there along snake river. Also, at Exit 114??, in Oregon, eastbound on I-84, great park at John Day River confluence with Columbia River, called LaPaige. No recommendations on I-90 east, if that is route. Be safe, many idiots on road now, at least here.

 

[Neal]

Let’s keep thread on track please.

 

[J&JD]

Ok captain, ok.

 

[TJ&LadyDi]

Ok captain, ok.

Uhhhh, IIRC, it’s “Major!”

TJ

 

[Old-RV'er]

Yep, my fault. Tried to explain the reason DEF head and long, long lead time. To wordy. Sorry all.

 

[Neal]

Yep, my fault. Tried to explain the reason DEF head and long, long lead time. To wordy. Sorry all.

Haha noooo, the thread digressed into travel planning. Once upon a time there was a man named Jed TJ who was good at policing threads

 

[jagpot]

Update: Getting coach back tomorrow after new sensor after "Low DEF and Hot codes with engine light and alarms going off. They drained the DEF and filled it back up to make sure all bars were correct. They say the hot code was because the DEF system sits very close to the catalytic converter and we were coming through Baker Ca 118 degrees. They said they can put a barrier around it to somewhat protect it from the heat. Just thought I would pass this on. P.S. UGH! They backed the coach into the Dyno machine and scratched the back bumper. At least they called to tell us and said they will pay for it.

 

[Old-RV'er]

I would wager, DEF tank and Catalytic/pollution thing is model specific. I believe mine is on passenger side right under the chassis batteries place. Forward (behind same door) is small storage area I keep leveling ramps/wood blocks. I have always worried that might be a bad place for them. I am going to look at this more and think about what can be put in there which won't catch fire. But if moving down road, lots of air circulation only when stopped could problem arise I think. Neal, is yours like ours?

 

[Neal]

Mine is drivers side just aft of tag axle. As long as airflow occurs the heat from the after treatment system should remain aft. But it is next to the engine. My hunch is it gets hot which decreases the life of the DEF and should be running the tank lower prior to refill. I’m going to start refilling after 1 bar occurs. I was doing at half way. It needs to be cycled out like @redbaron does.

 

[jagpot]

I would wager, DEF tank and Catalytic/pollution thing is model specific. I believe mine is on passenger side right under the chassis batteries place. Forward (behind same door) is small storage area I keep leveling ramps/wood blocks. I have always worried that might be a bad place for them. I am going to look at this more and think about what can be put in there which won't catch fire. But if moving down road, lots of air circulation only when stopped could problem arise I think. Neal, is yours like ours?

My DEF compartment is passenger side but a small compartment with only room for tank and completely walled off.

 

[J&JD]

It needs to be cycled out like @redbaron does.

Maybe. I’m not on board with this practice as of yet. As the tank gets low there is a chance that the small amount in the tank is even more susceptible to heat damage. Again, all of these ideas are simply conjecture. I’m leaning towards the “full tank” group and will be keeping my tank on the full side until I hear a definitive otherwise.

 

[redbaron]

Maybe. I’m not on board with this practice as of yet. As the tank gets low there is a chance that the small amount in the tank is even more susceptible to heat damage. Again, all of these ideas are simply conjecture. I’m leaning towards the “full tank” group and will be keeping my tank on the full side until I hear a definitive otherwise.

I travel in 100+ temps routinely. Traveling from Tx to Mt via utah, new mexico - High heat, low humidty.

I have also spent a good amount of time in Florida, high humidity, High Heat.

1 gallon of contaminated fluid is easily resolved with first stage warning, by adding 2.5 gallons from a jug.

You are right, nothing is proven. I just know what has worked for me on Chevrolet, RAM, & Freightliner systems.

I also change my DEF filter every 3 years.

 

[Neemer]

Regarding heat, I ran a little experiment yesterday. Using my trusty $30 infrared thermometer from Amazon, I measured the temp of the DEF tank after a 45 min run from Richmond to home. Ambient temp was 86 deg at the time.

The DEF tank below the level of the DEF came in at 95 deg. Above the DEF level was 108 deg. The DPF was around 240 deg, and the metal heat shield between the DEF tank and the DPF was about 220 deg.

What does this mean? Hell if I know.

 

[Neal]

Regarding heat, I ran a little experiment yesterday. Using my trusty $30 infrared thermometer from Amazon, I measured the temp of the DEF tank after a 45 min run from Richmond to home. Ambient temp was 86 deg at the time.

The DEF tank below the level of the DEF came in at 95 deg. Above the DEF level was 108 deg. The DPF was around 240 deg, and the metal heat shield between the DEF tank and the DPF was about 220 deg.

What does this mean? Hell if I know.

I think temp of the fluid is crucial and not the exterior of the thick plastic tank. I’m not sure of the construction or thickness or insulating value. Maybe insert a hose and draw out some fluid and get the temp of it? Food grade hoses are available on Amazon.

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[Old-RV'er]

I guess I got confused, my DEF tank is on DS, behind rear wheels (No Tag), forward of the shore power compartment model 3407. My catalytic converter/pollution thing is PS below chassis battery compartment, in that same area is an small walled off storage area, as filled with stuff above. I don't have infrared temp thing, guess that is next on the list. Knowing how warm that compartment gets from the Pollution thing, might be something to know.

DEF Fluid and Temp. Since my Catalytic thing is other side, the only heat generated is most likely coming from transmission area. I don't think I am running much heat into that area. With comment above about level of tank versus heat, I usually on the 250 miles or so trips we are now taking, I might add 1 to 1.5 gallons of def fluid at completion. I filled up from departure location on the way home. The only time I added lots of DEF was when down half and or light came on. Don't know about heat of DEF fluid versus longevity while traveling, something to consider. But while traveling, it's being used and replaced, so new stuff is helping older stuff stay better shape/condition. Long term storage, now that is another can of worms. So far here, only one 90 f day, but early in summer yet.

 

[redbaron]

For those with the refractometer---test with cold, and then heat and test again.

This could be done in your wifes favorite cooking pot while she is shopping for oreo's and ice cream.

 

[turbopilot]

For what it is worth my coach is stored in Thermal, CA. Outside of Death Valley one of the hottest places in the US. I have operated the coach in temperatures up to 122F. So far (since new in 2017) no issues. Rarely let the DEF tank go below 75%. The New Aire after treatment is on the passenger side. DEF storage is on the driver's side in back of the rear wheel and right next to the radiator. During maximum day time desert temperatures the road surface (12" below DEF tank) can exceed 150F.