Here We Go With Higher Diesel Prices

[sanda]

I read an article in NewsMax that said 1in4 CA electric car owners will not buy an electric car again because of the long charge time. it was also stated that if you figure the price of electricity and the range you're paying around $6.00 a galion. The powers that be that took away the USA's energy independence are nudging us to electric cars. To bad electric cars are just powered by coal. or natural gas and some nuke.. The sun and wind will never make cheap energy. The price is too high for those forums energy already. So when the price of natural fuels go up what do you think will happen to the price of electricity? The prices of oil is affected by all of the barrels available in the world market, since the USA isn't adding to the pool and OPEC slowing production even though the USA is begging them to produce more.(pathetic) I think your guess will be wrong unless the USA starts producing oil again. All I can say is Thanks Uncle Joe. "[removed]"
TB

I'll drink to that!

 

[FL-JOE]

I read an article in NewsMax that said 1in4 CA electric car owners will not buy an electric car again because of the long charge time. it was also stated that if you figure the price of electricity and the range you're paying around $6.00 a galion. ............
TB

Our F350 diesel that we tow with is also our daily driver. We can afford $3.50 to $4.00 per gallon for the current diesel prices in Florida. Even if they could manufacture a 1-ton all electric truck with enough torque to tow my 20,000 pound fiver, I would hate to pay $90,000 to $120,000 for it and then find out it would still cost me $6.00 per gallon to charge the stupid thing. It would certainly be out of my price range.

 

[Voyageurs]

Our F350 diesel that we tow with is also our daily driver. We can afford $3.50 to $4.00 per gallon for the current diesel prices in Florida. Even if they could manufacture a 1-ton all electric truck with enough torque to tow my 20,000 pound fiver, I would hate to pay $90,000 to $120,000 for it and then find out it would still cost me $6.00 per gallon to charge the stupid thing. It would certainly be out of my price range.

Again. It’s misinformation. It’s super cheap to charge an EV at home. And still cheap at a supercharger. Lots of misinformation out there.

 

[redbaron]

Again. It’s misinformation. It’s super cheap to charge an EV at home. And still cheap at a supercharger. Lots of misinformation out there.

Just wait...congress is trying to sneak in a per mile fee. Might not happen now, but will soon. Evs will be the only ones assessed, as ice already pay the fee.

There is one truth....the old saying "no such thing as a free lunch"

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Again. It’s misinformation. It’s super cheap to charge an EV at home. And still cheap at a supercharger. Lots of misinformation out there.

Texas let the truth about green out of the bag last winter. You can forget about it if you want.
Oh forget it!!!!

 

[redbaron]

Texas let the truth about green out of the bag last winter. You can forget about it if you want.
Oh forget it!!!!

We are being told to expect a repeat.

 

[Voyageurs]

Just wait...congress is trying to sneak in a per mile fee. Might not happen now, but will soon. Evs will be the only ones assessed, as ice already pay the fee.

There is one truth....the old saying "no such thing as a free lunch"

Yah, no idea what it is like there. Where we are it is supercheap to drive electric. Although, I thought I read somewhere that power was cheap in Texas. Really no idea.

 

[redbaron]

Yah, no idea what it is like there. Where we are it is supercheap to drive electric. Although, I thought I read somewhere that power was cheap in Texas. Really no idea.

Issue for me is my daily round trip us a little over 240 miles. Then I am home and may want to go out to eat, which is another 75 mile round trip.

If I have to do any extra shopping, a daily round trip would easily be 350 miles.

I only do this a few days a week, but Texas is so spread out and limited charging except in the major cities, which I rarely visit.

Places like Chicago where my daughter lives, electric is ideal.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

We are being told to expect a repeat.

Yah this just showed up on my phone. How much more timely is that. Most of what he talks about is bull quite frankly, but at the end after the "10 ways " information, he makes some sense. Be ready to pool resources with you neighbors. Gonna be a cold winter if there is Gonna be a repeat.

Prep

 

[Voyageurs]

Issue for me is my daily round trip us a little over 240 miles. Then I am home and may want to go out to eat, which is another 75 mile round trip.

If I have to do any extra shopping, a daily round trip would easily be 350 miles.

I only do this a few days a week, but Texas is so spread out and limited charging except in the major cities, which I rarely visit.

Places like Chicago where my daughter lives, electric is ideal.

Yah, nothing wrong with that. It depends so much on infrastructure on the routes you travel and where you live. Where we live that wouldn't be a challenge at all as infrastructure is good and more going in all the time. But yah. Everybody needs to assess there own situation. Cheers.

 

[redbaron]

Yah, nothing wrong with that. It depends so much on infrastructure on the routes you travel and where you live. Where we live that wouldn't be a challenge at all as infrastructure is good and more going in all the time. But yah. Everybody needs to assess there own situation. Cheers.

Do I remember correctly that you live in the EU?

 

[Voyageurs]

Do I remember correctly that you live in the EU?

No. In BC Canada.

 

[redbaron]

No. In BC Canada.

Ahh...thats right. We usually drive thru from Seattle on the way to revelstoke in February for our snowmobile trips. We have done some around the pemberton glacier. Beautiful area.

 

[Voyageurs]

Ahh...thats right. We usually drive thru from Seattle on the way to revelstoke in February for our snowmobile trips. We have done some around the pemberton glacier. Beautiful area.

Ahhh Pemberton. Some beautiful (and sometimes very wet) country thru there. Our first camping trip out next will take on that area. Some amazing waterfalls thru there in the late may time frame. We have a 3 week 1480 kilometre great circle planned that takes us thru there on the home bound leg. Should be fun.

 

[redbaron]

Ahhh Pemberton. Some beautiful (and sometimes very wet) country thru there. Our first camping trip out next will take on that area. Some amazing waterfalls thru there in the late may time frame. We have a 3 week 1480 kilometre great circle planned that takes us thru there on the home bound leg. Should be fun.

Post up summer time pictures...I have only been in snow season.

 

[Voyageurs]

Post up summer time pictures...I have only been in snow season.

Will do. We haven’t done this trip since before my military career that started in 1982. I’m sure things will be a lot different. Not to mention a whole new highway since that time. I’m told there are a few crazy steep hills. Guess we’ll see how the regenerative breaking on a tesla pulling a trailer is. .

Cheers.

 

[FL-JOE]

Okay, so in many parts of the U.S. and Canada it could be cheaper to operate a EV for daily commuting. Fast forward maybe 20 years and what if 30% to 40% of the population is driving EVs. Where will the tax dollars come from to repair and fund all of our roads? With 30% to 40% of the drivers on the roads are not buying gas and fuel then the feds and the States will be getting that much less percent to do the required repairs. Heck, most places can't keep the roads repaired now.

 

[Voyageurs]

Okay, so in many parts of the U.S. and Canada it could be cheaper to operate a EV for daily commuting. Fast forward maybe 20 years and what if 30% to 40% of the population is driving EVs. Where will the tax dollars come from to repair and fund all of our roads? With 30% to 40% of the drivers on the roads are not buying gas and fuel then the feds and the States will be getting that much less percent to do the required repairs. Heck, most places can't keep the roads repaired now.

That’s just paperwork. Many countries provinces and states already charge a registration fee for EV’s that already account for that. I’m good with that. It is typically between 150 and 300 dollars or euros etc. And it won’t be 20 years in most places. Probably closer to 10 or 15 with maybe the exception of the US. I doubt in 20 years manufacturers in many regions will be producing gas vehicles for the light vehicle market, or at least in first world countries. Diesel will probably be around for decades yet. Diesel does some stuff really good.

Keeping in mind that all the above is JMHO...and I sure ain’t an expert.

Cheers all.

 

[KR1973]

Okay, so in many parts of the U.S. and Canada it could be cheaper to operate a EV for daily commuting. Fast forward maybe 20 years and what if 30% to 40% of the population is driving EVs. Where will the tax dollars come from to repair and fund all of our roads? With 30% to 40% of the drivers on the roads are not buying gas and fuel then the feds and the States will be getting that much less percent to do the required repairs. Heck, most places can't keep the roads repaired now.

Oh don't worry, they already know how the taxes will change, they figured that out thirty years ago. They have wanted tax by the mile for decades. They never figured out how to get an accurate way to read the miles. EVs are the way forward for tax by mile. To get you into one, so they can tax by mile, they incentivize the manufacturing and purchasing of them. First off they give tax rebates to EV manufacturers to produce them. We are taxed to pay for tax welfare given to the EV manufacturers. Once the greater population is in one, they will assess more taxes on EVs to compensate for the lost fuel revenues and add tax by the mile on top of it. Its ironic how we always pay for our own problems and pay to create our own taxes. These EVs would be DOA without government subsidies. Unlike oil subsidies that create good paying jobs in the oil fields and transporting jobs moving oil. Oil companies also got subsidies because it is in the national security interest to move the planes and tanks that defend us. These EVs are the answer, but not the answer to any problem I ever had

 

[Voyageurs]

Heh heh. Yah. You never known. It also might be because some people like driving high performance crazy fast, low maintenance, super economical to drive cars that don’t stink and always have the latest greatest software on them. Who knows. Lol. .

Sure wish I could have got some of those subsidies on the last two electric cars we bought. .

Just sayin.

JMHO.

Cheers.