Here We Go With Higher Diesel Prices

[FL-JOE]

It will certainly be interesting to see how EV sell in the U.S. I've never had a gas vehicle I thought "stunk" but then again I've only owned about 30 different ones.

I will caution anyone who has been getting goose bumps about the thought of a majority of the population driving EVs though.

I have walked to my car through shopping center parking lots and almost gotten backed over by idiots that throw their cars in reverse without paying attention. With EVs they are quiet as a mouse and unless backup alarms are required on them I think you will start seeing kids, adults, and pets ran over on a regular basis. Just my opinion and I'm certainly no expert. In todays age with driver's distracted by talking and texting while operating their vehicles the last thing we need is faster and quieter vehicles.....I for one can am not looking forward to that.

 

[Voyageurs]

It will certainly be interesting to see how EV sell in the U.S. I've never had a gas vehicle I thought "stunk" but then again I've only owned about 30 different ones.

I will caution anyone who has been getting goose bumps about the thought of a majority of the population driving EVs though.

I have walked to my car through shopping center parking lots and almost gotten backed over by idiots that throw their cars in reverse without paying attention. With EVs they are quiet as a mouse and unless backup alarms are required on them I think you will start seeing kids, adults, and pets ran over on a regular basis. Just my opinion and I'm certainly no expert. In todays age with driver's distracted by talking and texting while operating their vehicles the last thing we need is faster and quieter vehicles.....I for one can am not looking forward to that.

Back up alarms or noises are required on electric vehicles on most places in the world. Ours sounds kind of like space ship kind of noise. They are also required to make a noise going forward if travelling under 23 kilometres an hour.

 

[FL-JOE]

Okay, I've only been close to a couple in lots and I guess those were equipped like yours, they certainly were quiet.

 

[Voyageurs]

Okay, I've only been close to a couple in lots and I guess those were equipped like yours, they certainly were quiet.

Yah. And not saying your area has those regulations either. As well, the forward movement sound is more like a shhhhhhhhh sound. Really subtle. Without those sounds though you are right. They make no noise. I agree with you. Although I would prefer it to not make any sound, public safety comes first.

 

[KR1973]

Sure wish I could have got some of those subsidies on the last two electric cars we bought. .

Just sayin.

JMHO.

Cheers.

You did, Tesla got 465 million in US government welfare. I know, I get the bill weekly

 

[Voyageurs]

You did, Tesla got 465 million in US government welfare. I know, I get the bill weekly

Woohoo. Good to hear. And thanks. . How much has GM, Chrysler and Ford got. In Canada GM and Chrysler come to the trough regularly.

 

[Voyageurs]

Is this the 465 million dollars you are talking about?

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[KR1973]

Woohoo. Good to hear. And thanks. . How much has GM, Chrysler and Ford got. In Canada GM and Chrysler come to the trough regularly.

All of them get tax breaks to provide jobs in canada and the US verses mexico and its easy to see why any large jobs providing companies get tax breaks. Their employee/ employer taxes are plenty. None of the big three gets development money like Tesla did. And you are welcome. It seems we're always there to help. Its kinda like we have a little brother, its nice to have friendlies on one border, and its also nice to have the tourism money flowing back south in the cute little EVs.?

 

[KR1973]

Is this the 465 million dollars you are talking about?

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yes, thats the 465 milion! They paid it back with an $8000 per manufactured vehicle tax credit.

 

[Voyageurs]

All of them get tax breaks to provide jobs in canada and the US verses mexico and its easy to see why any large jobs providing companies get tax breaks. Their employee/ employer taxes are plenty. None of the big three gets development money like Tesla did. And you are welcome. It seems we're always there to help. Its kinda like we have a little brother, its nice to have friendlies on one border, and its also nice to have the tourism money flowing back south in the cute little EVs.?

Heh heh. We appreciate it big bro. LOL. And your welcome. .

I’m not up on the development money thing but would be interested in hearing more about it.

 

[Voyageurs]

yes, thats the 465 milion! They paid it back with an $8000 per manufactured vehicle tax credit.

You are misinformed sir. Those tax credits were for the purchaser, not for Tesla. And they applied to every manufacturer. They still exist, but Tesla and GM car purchasers no longer get them as they have produced more than the pre-set amount. All the companies that get them now are foreign car makers except ford.

And the big three is now the big two. Stellantis (Chrysler Dodge etc) is a Dutch company.

 

[KR1973]

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And the big three is now the big two. Stellantis (Chrysler Dodge etc) is a Dutch company.

That we can agree on

 

[Voyageurs]

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That we can agree on

Heh heh. Anyway KR. It has been fun sparring with you a bit. A little polite punching is fun. Sounds like we are on opposite sides of the table on this one but that’s okay. I’d pass you a beer (Canadian) over the campfire any way. .

I have a class in 15 minutes so I’ll call it a night.

Stay safe on the road neighbour.

J.

 

[KR1973]

Heh heh. Anyway KR. It has been fun sparring with you a bit. A little polite punching is fun. Sounds like we are on opposite sides of the table on this one but that’s okay. I’d pass you a beer (Canadian) over the campfire any way. .

I have a class in 15 minutes so I’ll call it a night.

Stay safe on the road neighbour.

J.

Yes, it has been fun. But please… NO Canadian beer. If possible, pass me a Crown and coke with plenty of ice or I can pass you one at the ole campfire. Hopefully that will be agreeable to both of us!

 

[Voyageurs]

Yes, it has been fun. But please… NO Canadian beer. If possible, pass me a Crown and coke with plenty of ice or I can pass you one at the ole campfire. Hopefully that will be agreeable to both of us!

You’re on. .

 

[Trucker Bob]

Issue for me is my daily round trip us a little over 240 miles. Then I am home and may want to go out to eat, which is another 75 mile round trip.

If I have to do any extra shopping, a daily round trip would easily be 350 miles.

I only do this a few days a week, but Texas is so spread out and limited charging except in the major cities, which I rarely visit.

Places like Chicago where my daughter lives, electric is ideal.

The idiots that live in DC are so unconnected to size of this country they stay in their phucking bubble. The people who drive EVs should be paying at least $.25 a mile since they pay no fuel tax and three times the fee for their plates. They should pay their fare share for the use of the roads. Also the those cars are in the long run worse for the environment the batteries are not eco friendly to dispose of or make. plus the lithium comes from Afghanistan.

The Taliban are sitting on $1 trillion worth of minerals the world desperately needs

The swift fall of Afghanistan to Taliban fighters has triggered a humanitarian crisis, with thousands trying to flee the country. It's also brought renewed focus on Afghanistan's vast untapped mineral wealth, resources that could transform its economic prospects if ever developed.

www.cnn.com

 

[Voyageurs]

The idiots that live in DC are so unconnected to size of this country they stay in their phucking bubble. The people who drive EVs should be paying at least $.25 a mile since they pay no fuel tax and three times the fee for their plates. They should pay their fare share for the use of the roads. Also the those cars are in the long run worse for the environment the batteries are not eco friendly to dispose of or make. plus the lithium comes from Afghanistan.

The Taliban are sitting on $1 trillion worth of minerals the world desperately needs

The swift fall of Afghanistan to Taliban fighters has triggered a humanitarian crisis, with thousands trying to flee the country. It's also brought renewed focus on Afghanistan's vast untapped mineral wealth, resources that could transform its economic prospects if ever developed.

www.cnn.com

Their fare share???. How much road tax do you think you pay per mile with a gas car???.

Afghanistan presently produces almost no lithium.

 

[redbaron]

US Federal Tax on fuel: 18.4 cents per gallon for gasoline, 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel.

I average 25k miles annually on diesel, and 35k miles annually on gas. Forgetting state taxes (texas is 20 cents/gallon ea) I spend:

diesel - average 8mpg (averaging truck & rv): $762.50 federal tax
gas - average 14mpg (averaging all cars): $460.00 federal tax

State tax is much higher than the federal, but too difficult to factor in as we buy fuel all over. So for my vehicles, I contribute $1,222.50 for federal roadways.

 

[Voyageurs]

US Federal Tax on fuel: 18.4 cents per gallon for gasoline, 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel.

I average 25k miles annually on diesel, and 35k miles annually on gas. Forgetting state taxes (texas is 20 cents/gallon ea) I spend:

diesel - average 8mpg (averaging truck & rv): $762.50 federal tax
gas - average 14mpg (averaging all cars): $460.00 federal tax

State tax is much higher than the federal, but too difficult to factor in as we buy fuel all over. So for my vehicles, I contribute $1,222.50 for federal roadways.

So about 1/2 a cent per mile. Sounds about right.

Our gas tax is higher here. We pay close to that per kilometre. We do about 18000 to 20,000 kilometres per year. That would be like 100 bucks per year. Sounds good to me. Or just put a 150 dollar registration fee like some provinces, states and countries do.

 

[redbaron]

So about 1/2 a cent per mile. Sounds about right.

Our gas tax is higher here. We pay close to that per kilometre. We do about 18000 to 20,000 kilometres per year. That would be like 100 bucks per year. Sounds good to me. Or just put a 150 dollar registration fee like some provinces, states and countries do.

We have registration fees at state level. They run $100 for cars and $500 for rvs. Cheaper than some states, more than other states.