The fun resumes…or not

[Rich W.]

oh crap... Looks like a very expensive scan tool is in my future.,

I have the old analog DEF head...so, maybe...fingers crossed...I don't have these episodes..

Glad you got the bad lights to go away Neal!!! That's an awesome recovery.

Assuming you have a 2015 chassis so pre-2016 emissions? You still have all the components and your system still doing periodic regens and you can still find yourself in need of a parked or forced regen. Do you know about the shorting plug for parked regens?

 

[Chuggs]

Rich,

Nope…. I haven’t figured out anything about a regen plug. It must have certain conditions for it to work, I’m assuming. Sounds like some type of tool might be needed if those conditions aren’t met??

Assuming you have a 2015 chassis so pre-2016 emissions? You still have all the components and your system still doing periodic regens and you can still find yourself in need of a parked or forced regen. Do you know about the shorting plug for parked regens?

Edit 7/17: For those curious, here is the letter from Daimler concerning the 2017-2021 6.7 emissions warranty extension:



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[Rich W.]

Rich,

Nope…. I haven’t figured out anything about a regen plug. It must have certain conditions for it to work, I’m assuming. Sounds like some type of tool might be needed if those conditions aren’t met??

It does have specific conditions. Your DPF lamp has to be on indicating that you need a regen and driving conditions aren’t allowing passive and active regens to keep up. The shorting plug (dumb name for it but oh well) is below the dash on the left side right by your J1939 port.

Below are instructions and a picture of mine:

You can only do a regen this way if the system is calling for one. You need an external device (such as a code reader with regen capability) to do a forced regen, but theoretically, you don’t need one and the shorting plug will get you through. I’ve never used it because I’ve always had a means to do periodic forced regens to prevent the need while on the road but I’ve seen accounts of folks using it successfully.

 

[Chuggs]

This model seems to use your phone as a display and is currently only $200 due to Amazon’s prime days…. Amazon.com

Thanks Rich!,, You da man!!!

I know it might not do everything the other tool does…but for 1/3 the price,,,I’m IN!

It does have specific conditions. Your DPF lamp has to be on indicating that you need a regen and driving conditions aren’t allowing passive and active regens to keep up. The shorting plug (dumb name for it but oh well) is below the dash on the left side right by your J1939 port.

Below are instructions and a picture of mine:
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You can only do a regen this way if the system is calling for one. You need an external device (such as a code reader with regen capability) to do a forced regen, but theoretically, you don’t need one and the shorting plug will get you through. I’ve never used it because I’ve always had a means to do periodic forced regens to prevent the need while on the road but I’ve seen accounts of folks using it successfully.

Excellent…added to the brain trust. I have seen that little doohickey. I’m most greatful!

 

[Chuggs]

Looks like they have an Ancel HD100 and an Ancel HD110. I almost bit on the 110 because it said NEWER. But it does two other vehicle regens where the 100 does Cummins. Stoked to have the option available.

 

[DennisT]

Dennis, have you ever used the HB to do a regen?

Have not but have been through the procedure just in case.

Have used it to read and reset codes on a couple coaches though.

Friend was looking at it for work - they have to call Volvo to do forced regens at $800 a pop on their heavy equipment…

 

[Rich W.]

Have not but have been through the procedure just in case.

Have used it to read and reset codes on a couple coaches though.

Friend was looking at it for work - they have to call Volvo to do forced regens at $800 a pop on their heavy equipment…

That’s crazy - the Diesel Laptops HD handheld will work for Volvo (I’ll check to see if that includes off road heavy equip) and they usually have them used for $300. But $800 for a regen is ridiculous- it takes 2-3 minutes to set up and an hour to wait for it to complete.

 

[MemoriesByTheMile]

There might be something to that….as I have never had a regen incident (knock in wood) but I do make sure that I take the RV out for a 45 minute (interstate) drive every 30 days. This also lets me run the generator, oasis, etc on a regular basis. I feel like it is also good for the tires…

This ^^^
Regular running at HOT temps. Regular and long idling does not help, idling only makes the DPF problem worse.
Yes, I know truckers idle for long periods of time. Also know that most of these same truckers have a switch (like below pic) on their dashboard to start a regen, no special tool required. So accumulating some extra soot in the DPF is not a big deal.

 

[DennisT]

That’s crazy - the Diesel Laptops HD handheld will work for Volvo (I’ll check to see if that includes off road heavy equip) and they usually have them used for $300. But $800 for a regen is ridiculous- it takes 2-3 minutes to set up and an hour to wait for it to complete.

Yes it is - from what he has said none of their heavy equipment actually does on on its own as they should. Would save them a bunch of money having something to start them on their own.

 

[Rich W.]

This ^^^
Regular running at HOT temps. Regular and long idling does not help, idling only makes the DPF problem worse.
Yes, I know truckers idle for long periods of time. Also know that most of these same truckers have a switch (like below pic) on their dashboard to start a regen, no special tool required. So accumulating some extra soot in the DPF is not a big deal.

I’ve often thought about replacing my shorting plug with a switch on the dash (very simple job and there is room for an additional rocker switch). but I have never had the need to do a parked regen because I do forced regens proactively. Still it bugs me that every other type of vehicle with a HD diesel engine has the convenience of a regen switch, and for whatever reason, motor homes don’t.

 

[Neal]

I have the old analog DEF head...so, maybe...fingers crossed...I don't have these episodes..

This incident had nothing to do with the DEF head and the DEF head simulator would not have helped in this situation. The doser is down stream of the DEF head/tank.

As to the shorting plug, definitely something to know about and know how to use, I had to use it in my Breckenridge de-rate AFTER the Cummins service tech used his laptop to fix me up and the coach wanted another regen as soon as I departed, then never again. I pulled over, dove under the dash and disconnected/reconnected the plug below the OBD port. Never did it again. I tried it in this situation and it did not do a regen so it must not have needed one.

BREAK BREAK

I made it no issue on the long haul to Fond du Lac, WI today, everything was great. Thankfully no lights! I'll create a new post to discuss something @Rich W. and I talked about on the phone yesterday so others can learn from it as I was possibly doing something wrong on my starts. To the Cummins area for that now.

 

[DennisT]

I’ve often thought about replacing my shorting plug with a switch on the dash (very simple job and there is room for an additional rocker switch). but I have never had the need to do a parked regen because I do forced regens proactively. Still it bugs me that every other type of vehicle with a HD diesel engine has the convenience of a regen switch, and for whatever reason, motor homes don’t.

Well, the switch is on the Superstar - standard on the M2 chassis.

Can stop one in progress if needed as well as start one when the yellow light is on stating a regen is needed.

Does not do a parked one from the dash though unless the yellow light on that a regen is needed.

 

[Rich W.]

Well, the switch is on the Superstar - standard on the M2 chassis.

Can stop one in progress if needed as well as start one when the yellow light is on stating a regen is needed.

Does not do a parked one from the dash though unless the yellow light on that a regen is needed.

All as it should be. Maybe when I get everything else done on my coach list I’ll install a regen switch. Is yours spring loaded/momentary of just on/off?

 

[Neal]

I thought in 2024 Cummins / engine manufacturers were required to offer the ability to regen, etc. @redbaron I think you mentioned something about this some time ago?

 

[MemoriesByTheMile]

All as it should be. Maybe when I get everything else done on my coach list I’ll install a regen switch. Is yours spring loaded/momentary of just on/off?

The switch on our rig is a spring loaded momentary switch - and it has to be held for 5 or 10 seconds. Regen will not start instantly.