OTR Diagnostics, DEF, Derate Faults

[J&JD]

as little as we all drive these things...starting / stopping / idling is not going to affect long term.

I would never dream of a 1 hour idle. I don't mind idling for 15 min while fueling.

The "do not idle" talk in the manual is mandated by clean air acts. This is nothing about engine safety or durability. Starters wear out, but that won't happen on an RV. The most practical reason is code clearing, and it just feels right for me to not use the starter more often than required.

In keeping with this thread, doesn’t excessive idling cause more regen cycles and wouldn’t that have possible adverse effects on the DEF head & sensors? Way out of my league here so I guess I better stop speculating. ??

 

[sheridany]

@AbdRahim in the spirit of continuing a non political thread, the horse may have already left the barn.....if you take into consideration the following known facts.

1. In terms of traditional outsourcing, 68% of US consumer product companies outsource some of their operations. Manufacturing companies outsource as much as 70–80% of their finished products.
2. China remains one of the most popular outsourcing destinations. With a predicted CAGR of 12.6% in the next five years, China’s BPO market volume will reach $28.5 billion by 2025 if the estimates are correct.

Yes, you are correct 100% but we have done it to ourselves I hate to say.

Back on topic.

 

[J&JD]

@AbdRahim in the spirit of continuing a non political thread, the horse may have already left the barn.....if you take into consideration the following known facts.

1. In terms of traditional outsourcing, 68% of US consumer product companies outsource some of their operations. Manufacturing companies outsource as much as 70–80% of their finished products.
2. China remains one of the most popular outsourcing destinations. With a predicted CAGR of 12.6% in the next five years, China’s BPO market volume will reach $28.5 billion by 2025 if the estimates are correct.

Yes, you are correct 100% but we have done it to ourselves I hate to say.

Back on topic.

We have often discussed this situation. I think many of us would gladly pay a few dollars more for products made in the USA. It really is a sad, and risky situation. Judy D

 

[redbaron]

In keeping with this thread, doesn’t excessive idling cause more regen cycles and wouldn’t that have possible adverse effects on the DEF head & sensors? Way out of my league here so I guess I better stop speculating. ??

I think that you are technically correct. I have never noticed a regen cycle, nor have I worried about it. From what I understand, Regen cycles don't hurt the def head or sensor. Those are hurt by either bad manufacturing, or bad DEF fluid. I have a refractometer (or whatever that thing is called) new in a box. I bought it after Dutchstar Don posted about it. Still never removed from the box, and probably never will.

I don't like to waste fuel, so at the point that idling becomes "excessive", I have already hit my limit of not wanting to waste fuel.

 

[TJ&LadyDi]

On a slightly different tack, is there any validated data showing the actual frequency of DEF head failures? Since our coach is a 2018 (apparently near the epicenter of the problem), what are the odds that we’ll experience a problem? We have not had any DEF-related codes…yet. Our primary source of DEF is from the pump at T/A-Petro or Loves. And, like many others, we leave the engine idling when we refuel. Haven’t tried the slides and lawn chairs routine yet, though.

We were going to make one final run to Polson before selling the lot there (and the coach) but now I’m wondering if that is smart until a supply of DEF heads is once again available. There’s quite a stretch of I-90 in Idaho and Western Montana that is pretty short on cell coverage and/or decent places to park a coach alongside the road. With all the recent issues we’ve had, I really don’t need another major headache.

TJ

 

[Neal]

TJ, please go to Polson and not let this situation change your RV plans. Especially if this is the end of the road for RVing, go enjoy it and I'm sure you'll be fine. The lift induced by deployed Girard's at 62mph will counter any derates

 

[Neal]

I wonder how many affected or worried about DEF heads may rethink their RV plans. I can see this driving people (self included) away from a motorhome and into a really nice, really big, fifth wheel. DEF problem solved!

 

[redbaron]

I wonder how many affected or worried about DEF heads may rethink their RV plans. I can see this driving people (self included) away from a motorhome and into a really nice, really big, fifth wheel. DEF problem solved!

I agree--the 5ver is sounding pretty darn good.

Only problem is how do I get the 5ver and my jeep where I want to be...thats a heck of a train

 

[Neal]

Only problem is how do I get the 5ver and my jeep where I want to be...thats a heck of a train

Preposition Jeeps nationwide

 

[redbaron]

Preposition Jeeps nationwide

That would cost me a fortune!! The amount of time and $$$ I spend on my jeep has rivaled what I have spent *modifying* my Dutchstar. ( not the actual purchase price of the DSDP)

 

[J&JD]

So glad we got to meet you in better times. Judy D

@ARD , are they coming to you with the new head or do you need to make the trek to NIRV (Dallas?)?

Also, I would ask that delivery of your new coach include a reserve def head unless the matter has been resolved. Judy

 

[J&JD]

On a slightly different tack, is there any validated data showing the actual frequency of DEF head failures? Since our coach is a 2018 (apparently near the epicenter of the problem), what are the odds that we’ll experience a problem? We have not had any DEF-related codes…yet. Our primary source of DEF is from the pump at T/A-Petro or Loves. And, like many others, we leave the engine idling when we refuel. Haven’t tried the slides and lawn chairs routine yet, though.

We were going to make one final run to Polson before selling the lot there (and the coach) but now I’m wondering if that is smart until a supply of DEF heads is once again available. There’s quite a stretch of I-90 in Idaho and Western Montana that is pretty short on cell coverage and/or decent places to park a coach alongside the road. With all the recent issues we’ve had, I really don’t need another major headache.

TJ

Your place at Polson is too beautiful to not give it one more shot Tj. Your luck is ready for a turn for the best! Go and enjoy!
BTW, how did Premier treat you?

 

[TJ&LadyDi]

Your place at Polson is too beautiful to not give it one more shot Tj. Your luck is ready for a turn for the best! Go and enjoy!
BTW, how did Premier treat you?

Premier RV Service is scheduled for next Monday. We are in our second night at RV Glass Solutions in Coburg, Oregon, for windshield replacement. The new glass is in and sealed. Tomorrow morning, they want to check (and adjust, of necessary) the windshield wiper contact with the new glass. And, I must say they have been a class act! We are very pleased with all we’ve experienced thus far and expect nothing less on the final day.

We’ve had nothing but good contacts with Premier RV Services in Junction City, thus far. In addition to replacing the Girard awning, they will be troubleshooting why our center AC unit is not working and looking for the reason why we have intermittent issues with trying to shut off the engine. Hopefully, that will all go well.

We discovered this morning that the bowl in the Dometic 8300 toilet isn’t holding water. I suspect the flapper valve needs cleaning, but not sure how far into the unit I’m willing to put my fingers to try and clean it when the mascerating blades are running. It’s not a major issue, but will need attention. It’s always something.

TJ

 

[J&JD]

Premier RV Service is scheduled for next Monday. We are in our second night at RV Glass Solutions in Coburg, Oregon, for windshield replacement. The new glass is in and sealed. Tomorrow morning, they want to check (and adjust, of necessary) the windshield wiper contact with the new glass. And, I must say they have been a class act! We are very pleased with all we’ve experienced thus far and expect nothing less on the final day.

We’ve had nothing but good contacts with Premier RV Services in Junction City, thus far. In addition to replacing the Girard awning, they will be troubleshooting why our center AC unit is not working and looking for the reason why we have intermittent issues with trying to shut off the engine. Hopefully, that will all go well.

We discovered this morning that the bowl in the Dometic 8300 toilet isn’t holding water. I suspect the flapper valve needs cleaning, but not sure how far into the unit I’m willing to put my fingers to try and clean it when the mascerating blades are running. It’s not a major issue, but will need attention. It’s always something.

TJ

I had a similar issue a few months ago. I solved it by putting bit of Happy Camper in the water, and let it do its work as the water sifted down. It only took a couple of times before the problem was solved. Judy D

 

[jagpot]

When fueling do not shut your engine off. I actually did this my last few legs mainly to keep A/C going as it was so hot. I think with the SP/Shaw issues if I was on a SP I'd limit my engine cycles.

Is it dangerous to keep it on while fueling?