Here We Go With Higher Diesel Prices

[sanda]

Several reports are heating oil, gasoline(and diesel) prices will continue as country opens up(thought it already mainly open?). More than one analyst predicts $100/bl on oil; heating oil has already spiked nearly 75% and, depending on winter temps, could double again. Being from Texas(oil belt area) i know the work has picked up but no where near pre-Covid days. IF you look at the trend oil/gas prices were already dropping, prior to COVID, due to Saudis-Russian stand off. Pre-Covid travel has yet to return to normal levels-which does mean the prices will rise if flights&travel return. Sadly- with the Keystone pipeline now 'defunct', several pipeline issues in N.American and the administration allowing Russias new pipeline to go forward(it came on line couple months back) we will see rising imports/prices on fuel.

Yep- kill the pipeline and drilling on federal lands then beg OPEC to increase production.

 

[sanda]

I've never had an issue with Truckers, in fact recently they've been super friendly, asking about RVing, etc. I'm not a fan of worrying about anyone else at the truck stop or being rushed forcing a mistake to be made. Get in the spot, get your fuel, pull forward if you need to go inside so as not to block a pump unless you're using it. I had an issue on my recent trip someone in a uhaul or something towing a dolly with me parked behind them waiting forever, they didn't know the etiquette to pull forward when going inside. I had enough room thankfully to hard right into the adjacent lane. Moral is, use it, you're a customer as are they, don't worry about things like this.

Blocking the pumps and walking away usually happens when I am towing. I make a point to let them know that courtesy would be pumping their gas and pulling out of the way so others can fuel.

 

[KR1973]

SUPPLY and DEMAND. Period. 2 years ago the USA was energy independent. We produced enough oil for the USA and sold oil overseas that competed on the world market with OPEC. Since then, we have reversed oil exploration all over the US and stopped or slowed drilling in Anwar, the Gulf, and most Federal lands. We once again have been made to depend on OPEC for oil as we have seen the current US Government administration asking OPEC to produce more oil, which they are inclined NOT to do, so the prices rise and profit margins grow. Oil prices grew in the last year and so did the overall cost of living because of the cost of moving goods. We also canceled an oil pipeline that would have put more oil cheaper on the world market from CANADA and helped the approval of and oil pipeline in Europe that would supply oil from RUSSIA to **western** Europe rather than putting NORTH AMERICAN oil in Europe to compete with the oil and currency manipulators who act on their own behalf against us. Bad policy will continue in the name of environmentalism. When people get upset and demand different, the solution will be to tap the US Strategic oil reserves to add more to the US oil supply but that never works because theirs never enough available to change the amount of crude on the world market and because, what we don't purchase WILL be purchased in the developing world. We can only change the price of oil by drilling, refining and selling our own oil and that will not happen because of the false pretense that climate change is man made and fossil fuel use is the problem. Prices will rise, they have to, it is the agenda of curbing our lust for oil and the activities that consume it which pollutes the world. Hold on folks, no changes in domestic policy will most certainly result in continued supply issues and higher prices of oil, power, and cost of living. I am walking a tightrope here and doing my best not to be politically provocative, but facts unfortunately cannot be left out of the overall relevant equation.

 

[FL-JOE]

In the last few days we fueled at 4 truck stops, 2 were Pilots and 2 were TA. I have been wearing a "Army Veterans" hat this week plus my F350 has a front plate indicating service in Viet Nam. At two different fuel stops I had truck driver's come over and thank me for my service. At another stop we backed in for lunch between commercial rigs and a young mechanic walked across from the shop to tell me when he retired he wanted to travel in an RV. At yet another fuel stop a black driver observed the back of my tee shirt ("We stand for the flag and kneel for the fallen") and told me he liked my shirt. When he walked to his rig I noticed on the side he had a mural of a flag painted and the words "Support Our Troops".

My point here is when I go into a truck stop to fuel I nod to other drivers and am generally friendly. I might be in a bit of a hurry but I never show it because they are the ones actually trying to make a living. The same on the road, I try to be considerate of them. Some are jerks but for the most part many are just working stiffs that would help in a real emergency.

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Most people fill up in the wee hours of the morning or at work. Ours starts charging at 2 AM and is usually done by three unless we were on a road trip the day before.

This is a typical daily usage graph of our town house. Typically 6 or 8 kWh of the total is for the car, or at least on work days. Semi retired so that is happening less often. Power is 9 cents per kWh (Canadian currency). Super cheap to run an EV. I would have to check but our lifetime average is around 6.4 km per kWh...ish.

Get ready to not go anywhere! As I hear it we will see the power problem China is having this coming winter, and that smart meter won't let you charge An EV when power is being rationed so I have been told.

 

[Voyageurs]

Get ready to not go anywhere! As I hear it we will see the power problem China is having this coming winter, and that smart meter won't let you charge An EV when power is being rationed so I have been told.

Think we’ll be Okay. We live in BC and our meter has no way of limiting current. .

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Think we’ll be Okay. We live in BC and our meter has no way of limiting current. .

That's good, Smart meters are a bad thing!!!

 

[KR1973]

Get ready to not go anywhere! As I hear it we will see the power problem China is having this coming winter, and that smart meter won't let you charge An EV when power is being rationed so I have been told.

The AMOUNT of charge you can take from the grid can also be regulated during the "brown outs" which are only a direct result of bad energy policy. The use mileage can also be more easily tracked for taxing purposes. The future being electric vehicles with more government oversight, sold as a cure to government manipulated artificially high oil prices and fake environmental issues. They discussion never turns to how much fossil fuel it takes to feed the power grid that charges these electrical machines or how to dispose of all the lithium they conjure up to build the batteries that have about a 5-6 year lifespan. The cures they create are always worse that the problem they created to solve..... Lets not even get into the cost of a windmill/ solar farm being higher than the amount of energy ever gained or the government (taxpayer paid IE: you and me) tax credit per vehicle so these electric cars can be obtainable from an price point. I also don't want to get into my theory of how my 1996 7.3L diesel got 22mpg and couldn't possibly be more noxious than my current 6.8L diesel getting 14mpg or I might get a headache.

 

[Voyageurs]

That's good, Smart meters are a bad thing!!!

What we have is a smart meter, but the BC hydro smart meters don’t have the ability to limit use. They can do some pretty good analytics of your usage though. For sure our usage is lower as a result of paying attention to the information the smart meter provides.

 

[Voyageurs]

The AMOUNT of charge you can take from the grid can also be regulated during the "brown outs" which are only a direct result of bad energy policy. The use mileage can also be more easily tracked for taxing purposes. The future being electric vehicles with more government oversight, sold as a cure to government manipulated artificially high oil prices and fake environmental issues. They discussion never turns to how much fossil fuel it takes to feed the power grid that charges these electrical machines or how to dispose of all the lithium they conjure up to build the batteries that have about a 5-6 year lifespan. The cures they create are always worse that the problem they created to solve..... Lets not even get into the cost of a windmill/ solar farm being higher than the amount of energy ever gained or the government (taxpayer paid IE: you and me) tax credit per vehicle so these electric cars can be obtainable from an price point. I also don't want to get into my theory of how my 1996 7.3L diesel got 22mpg and couldn't possibly be more noxious than my current 6.8L diesel getting 14mpg or I might get a headache.

Well, typical battery life of a modern EV us expected to be north of 500,000 kilometres And that takes most people more than “5 or 6 years”. All the cab companies around here switched to EV’s a few years ago and they are already into the 200,000 to 300,000 kilometre territory.

Battery’s are already being recycled from wrecked cars. This will ramp up as required. There is money in it. Lots of aluminum, nickel, copper, lithium and cobalt in those puppies.

 

[KR1973]

Well, typical battery life of a modern EV us expected to be north of 500,000 kilometres And that takes most people more than “5 or 6 years”. All the cab companies around here switched to EV’s a few years ago and they are already into the 200,000 to 300,000 kilometre territory.

Battery’s are already being recycled from wrecked cars. This will ramp up as required. There is money in it. Lots of aluminum, nickel, copper, lithium and cobalt in those puppies.

"The Government of Canada offers point-of-sale incentives of $2,500 to $5,000 for consumers who buy or lease an EV."

"The province of British Columbia (B.C.) has made a provincial rebate of up to $3,000 available to help with the up-front cost of an electric vehicle, which can be combined with other federal rebates for as much as $8,000 in savings."

You are like the US, paying higher taxes to offset the sale and energy price. The higher taxes aren't calculated into the cost of operating and owning an electric car because its paid by everyone with or without an electric car. I hope you enjoy it, some of them are pretty fun to drive. Its just a trained behavior that I haven't yet been conditioned to accept.

 

[Voyageurs]

"The Government of Canada offers point-of-sale incentives of $2,500 to $5,000 for consumers who buy or lease an EV."

"The province of British Columbia (B.C.) has made a provincial rebate of up to $3,000 available to help with the up-front cost of an electric vehicle, which can be combined with other federal rebates for as much as $8,000 in savings."

You are like the US, paying higher taxes to offset the sale and energy price. The higher taxes aren't calculated into the cost of operating and owning an electric car because its paid by everyone with or without an electric car. I hope you enjoy it, some of them are pretty fun to drive. Its just a trained behavior that I haven't yet been conditioned to accept.

Well, that tells part if the story. Our last two EV’s we have purchased get zero dollars incentive money from anyone. The incentive is for less expensive models. The most popular two EV’s sold here are the Tesla model Y and the Tesla model 3 AWD. Neither is eligible for incentives.

Very little money is spent on subsidies for electric vehicles in Canada. The vast amount of subsidies are channeled to the petroleum industry. I’m semi okay with that as it is an important national industry. I support slowly weening that away though as other less polluting technologies become available.

JMHO.

 

[KR1973]

Well, that tells part if the story. Our last two EV’s we have purchased get zero dollars incentive money from anyone. The incentive is for less expensive models. The most popular two EV’s sold here are the Tesla model Y and the Tesla model 3 AWD. Neither is eligible for incentives.

Very little money is spent on subsidies for electric vehicles in Canada. The vast amount of subsidies are channeled to the petroleum industry. I’m semi okay with that as it is an important national industry. I support slowly weening that away though as other less polluting technologies become available.

JMHO.

I totally agree with the slow weening off oil it that's the way of the future And, a Ludacris launch in a Tesla S model is something everyone should experience at least one time

 

[Voyageurs]

I totally agree with the slow weening off oil it that's the way of the future And, a Ludacris launch in a Tesla S model is something everyone should experience at least one time

Agreed. The test drive in any EV is the game changer. We are on our way into winter here, and for us our first winter in an EV was the biggest push to transition fully to EV’s. Just a whole lot nicer experience. Still not looking forward to shovelling the driveway though. . Wife seems to like the exercise though soooooo. .

 

[sanda]

SUPPLY and DEMAND. Period. 2 years ago the USA was energy independent. We produced enough oil for the USA and sold oil overseas that competed on the world market with OPEC. Since then, we have reversed oil exploration all over the US and stopped or slowed drilling in Anwar, the Gulf, and most Federal lands. We once again have been made to depend on OPEC for oil as we have seen the current US Government administration asking OPEC to produce more oil, which they are inclined NOT to do, so the prices rise and profit margins grow. Oil prices grew in the last year and so did the overall cost of living because of the cost of moving goods. We also canceled an oil pipeline that would have put more oil cheaper on the world market from CANADA and helped the approval of and oil pipeline in Europe that would supply oil from RUSSIA to **western** Europe rather than putting NORTH AMERICAN oil in Europe to compete with the oil and currency manipulators who act on their own behalf against us. Bad policy will continue in the name of environmentalism. When people get upset and demand different, the solution will be to tap the US Strategic oil reserves to add more to the US oil supply but that never works because theirs never enough available to change the amount of crude on the world market and because, what we don't purchase WILL be purchased in the developing world. We can only change the price of oil by drilling, refining and selling our own oil and that will not happen because of the false pretense that climate change is man made and fossil fuel use is the problem. Prices will rise, they have to, it is the agenda of curbing our lust for oil and the activities that consume it which pollutes the world. Hold on folks, no changes in domestic policy will most certainly result in continued supply issues and higher prices of oil, power, and cost of living. I am walking a tightrope here and doing my best not to be politically provocative, but facts unfortunately cannot be left out of the overall relevant equation.

I couldn't have said it better. ??