Here We Go With Higher Diesel Prices

[Voyageurs]

Get ready to not go anywhere! As I hear it we will see the power problem China is having this coming winter, and that smart meter won't let you charge An EV when power is being rationed so I have been told.

Think we’ll be Okay. We live in BC and our meter has no way of limiting current. .

 

[Kevin D Pem]

Think we’ll be Okay. We live in BC and our meter has no way of limiting current. .

That's good, Smart meters are a bad thing!!!

 

[KR1973]

Get ready to not go anywhere! As I hear it we will see the power problem China is having this coming winter, and that smart meter won't let you charge An EV when power is being rationed so I have been told.

The AMOUNT of charge you can take from the grid can also be regulated during the "brown outs" which are only a direct result of bad energy policy. The use mileage can also be more easily tracked for taxing purposes. The future being electric vehicles with more government oversight, sold as a cure to government manipulated artificially high oil prices and fake environmental issues. They discussion never turns to how much fossil fuel it takes to feed the power grid that charges these electrical machines or how to dispose of all the lithium they conjure up to build the batteries that have about a 5-6 year lifespan. The cures they create are always worse that the problem they created to solve..... Lets not even get into the cost of a windmill/ solar farm being higher than the amount of energy ever gained or the government (taxpayer paid IE: you and me) tax credit per vehicle so these electric cars can be obtainable from an price point. I also don't want to get into my theory of how my 1996 7.3L diesel got 22mpg and couldn't possibly be more noxious than my current 6.8L diesel getting 14mpg or I might get a headache.

 

[Voyageurs]

That's good, Smart meters are a bad thing!!!

What we have is a smart meter, but the BC hydro smart meters don’t have the ability to limit use. They can do some pretty good analytics of your usage though. For sure our usage is lower as a result of paying attention to the information the smart meter provides.

 

[Voyageurs]

The AMOUNT of charge you can take from the grid can also be regulated during the "brown outs" which are only a direct result of bad energy policy. The use mileage can also be more easily tracked for taxing purposes. The future being electric vehicles with more government oversight, sold as a cure to government manipulated artificially high oil prices and fake environmental issues. They discussion never turns to how much fossil fuel it takes to feed the power grid that charges these electrical machines or how to dispose of all the lithium they conjure up to build the batteries that have about a 5-6 year lifespan. The cures they create are always worse that the problem they created to solve..... Lets not even get into the cost of a windmill/ solar farm being higher than the amount of energy ever gained or the government (taxpayer paid IE: you and me) tax credit per vehicle so these electric cars can be obtainable from an price point. I also don't want to get into my theory of how my 1996 7.3L diesel got 22mpg and couldn't possibly be more noxious than my current 6.8L diesel getting 14mpg or I might get a headache.

Well, typical battery life of a modern EV us expected to be north of 500,000 kilometres And that takes most people more than “5 or 6 years”. All the cab companies around here switched to EV’s a few years ago and they are already into the 200,000 to 300,000 kilometre territory.

Battery’s are already being recycled from wrecked cars. This will ramp up as required. There is money in it. Lots of aluminum, nickel, copper, lithium and cobalt in those puppies.

 

[KR1973]

Well, typical battery life of a modern EV us expected to be north of 500,000 kilometres And that takes most people more than “5 or 6 years”. All the cab companies around here switched to EV’s a few years ago and they are already into the 200,000 to 300,000 kilometre territory.

Battery’s are already being recycled from wrecked cars. This will ramp up as required. There is money in it. Lots of aluminum, nickel, copper, lithium and cobalt in those puppies.

"The Government of Canada offers point-of-sale incentives of $2,500 to $5,000 for consumers who buy or lease an EV."

"The province of British Columbia (B.C.) has made a provincial rebate of up to $3,000 available to help with the up-front cost of an electric vehicle, which can be combined with other federal rebates for as much as $8,000 in savings."

You are like the US, paying higher taxes to offset the sale and energy price. The higher taxes aren't calculated into the cost of operating and owning an electric car because its paid by everyone with or without an electric car. I hope you enjoy it, some of them are pretty fun to drive. Its just a trained behavior that I haven't yet been conditioned to accept.

 

[Voyageurs]

"The Government of Canada offers point-of-sale incentives of $2,500 to $5,000 for consumers who buy or lease an EV."

"The province of British Columbia (B.C.) has made a provincial rebate of up to $3,000 available to help with the up-front cost of an electric vehicle, which can be combined with other federal rebates for as much as $8,000 in savings."

You are like the US, paying higher taxes to offset the sale and energy price. The higher taxes aren't calculated into the cost of operating and owning an electric car because its paid by everyone with or without an electric car. I hope you enjoy it, some of them are pretty fun to drive. Its just a trained behavior that I haven't yet been conditioned to accept.

Well, that tells part if the story. Our last two EV’s we have purchased get zero dollars incentive money from anyone. The incentive is for less expensive models. The most popular two EV’s sold here are the Tesla model Y and the Tesla model 3 AWD. Neither is eligible for incentives.

Very little money is spent on subsidies for electric vehicles in Canada. The vast amount of subsidies are channeled to the petroleum industry. I’m semi okay with that as it is an important national industry. I support slowly weening that away though as other less polluting technologies become available.

JMHO.

 

[KR1973]

Well, that tells part if the story. Our last two EV’s we have purchased get zero dollars incentive money from anyone. The incentive is for less expensive models. The most popular two EV’s sold here are the Tesla model Y and the Tesla model 3 AWD. Neither is eligible for incentives.

Very little money is spent on subsidies for electric vehicles in Canada. The vast amount of subsidies are channeled to the petroleum industry. I’m semi okay with that as it is an important national industry. I support slowly weening that away though as other less polluting technologies become available.

JMHO.

I totally agree with the slow weening off oil it that's the way of the future And, a Ludacris launch in a Tesla S model is something everyone should experience at least one time

 

[Voyageurs]

I totally agree with the slow weening off oil it that's the way of the future And, a Ludacris launch in a Tesla S model is something everyone should experience at least one time

Agreed. The test drive in any EV is the game changer. We are on our way into winter here, and for us our first winter in an EV was the biggest push to transition fully to EV’s. Just a whole lot nicer experience. Still not looking forward to shovelling the driveway though. . Wife seems to like the exercise though soooooo. .

 

[sanda]

SUPPLY and DEMAND. Period. 2 years ago the USA was energy independent. We produced enough oil for the USA and sold oil overseas that competed on the world market with OPEC. Since then, we have reversed oil exploration all over the US and stopped or slowed drilling in Anwar, the Gulf, and most Federal lands. We once again have been made to depend on OPEC for oil as we have seen the current US Government administration asking OPEC to produce more oil, which they are inclined NOT to do, so the prices rise and profit margins grow. Oil prices grew in the last year and so did the overall cost of living because of the cost of moving goods. We also canceled an oil pipeline that would have put more oil cheaper on the world market from CANADA and helped the approval of and oil pipeline in Europe that would supply oil from RUSSIA to **western** Europe rather than putting NORTH AMERICAN oil in Europe to compete with the oil and currency manipulators who act on their own behalf against us. Bad policy will continue in the name of environmentalism. When people get upset and demand different, the solution will be to tap the US Strategic oil reserves to add more to the US oil supply but that never works because theirs never enough available to change the amount of crude on the world market and because, what we don't purchase WILL be purchased in the developing world. We can only change the price of oil by drilling, refining and selling our own oil and that will not happen because of the false pretense that climate change is man made and fossil fuel use is the problem. Prices will rise, they have to, it is the agenda of curbing our lust for oil and the activities that consume it which pollutes the world. Hold on folks, no changes in domestic policy will most certainly result in continued supply issues and higher prices of oil, power, and cost of living. I am walking a tightrope here and doing my best not to be politically provocative, but facts unfortunately cannot be left out of the overall relevant equation.

I couldn't have said it better. ??

 

[sanda]

Agreed. The test drive in any EV is the game changer. We are on our way into winter here, and for us our first winter in an EV was the biggest push to transition fully to EV’s. Just a whole lot nicer experience. Still not looking forward to shovelling the driveway though. . Wife seems to like the exercise though soooooo. .

EV's certainly have their place in our society but we cant tow very far with one.

 

[Voyageurs]

EV's certainly have their place in our society but we cant tow very far with one.

Yep. Diesel is pretty good at some stuff. But As electric vehicles improve they will start to chip away at the smaller trailer market and for people who don’t need to tow far. EV’s, just like diesel vehicles, do some things very well.

 

[sheridany]

Gas keeps getting more and more expensive, especially in California. But perhaps nowhere is it pricier than the remote central coast community of Gorda.

The town's only gas station is offering regular unleaded for $7.59. Premium is nearly $8.50.

This is crazy.

 

[Voyageurs]

Gas keeps getting more and more expensive, especially in California. But perhaps nowhere is it pricier than the remote central coast community of Gorda.

The town's only gas station is offering regular unleaded for $7.59. Premium is nearly $8.50.

This is crazy.

Gas keeps getting more and more expensive, especially in California. But perhaps nowhere is it pricier than the remote central coast community of Gorda.

The town's only gas station is offering regular unleaded for $7.59. Premium is nearly $8.50.

This is crazy.

Wow. We are actually camping really close to there next year on our trip from the BC interiour to Puerta Penasco. Are taking the scenic route and have a bunch of the coastal state parks along there on the “to hike” list.

 

[Trucker Bob]

The increases are not US based. It’s all over the world. Here in Canada prices popped up last week. Friends in Spain and Germany saw a jump last week as well. It won’t stay up forever. The longer it stays higher the more people get driven to electric vehicles which operate at a fraction of the cost. Right now fuel companies are losing about 7000 customers per day as people buy electric vehicles to replace their cars and SUV/CUV’s. At some point the petrol companies are going to want and try to stem that number which is doubling about every two years right now. My guess is fuel prices will start to drop in February.

JMHO.

I read an article in NewsMax that said 1in4 CA electric car owners will not buy an electric car again because of the long charge time. it was also stated that if you figure the price of electricity and the range you're paying around $6.00 a galion. The powers that be that took away the USA's energy independence are nudging us to electric cars. To bad electric cars are just powered by coal. or natural gas and some nuke.. The sun and wind will never make cheap energy. The price is too high for those forums energy already. So when the price of natural fuels go up what do you think will happen to the price of electricity? The prices of oil is affected by all of the barrels available in the world market, since the USA isn't adding to the pool and OPEC slowing production even though the USA is begging them to produce more.(pathetic) I think your guess will be wrong unless the USA starts producing oil again. All I can say is Thanks Uncle Joe. "[removed]"
TB

 

[Voyageurs]

I read an article in NewsMax that said 1in4 CA electric car owners will not buy an electric car again because of the long charge time. it was also stated that if you figure the price of electricity and the range you're paying around $6.00 a galion. The powers that be that took away the USA's energy independence are nudging us to electric cars. To bad electric cars are just powered by coal. or natural gas and some nuke.. The sun and wind will never make cheap energy. The price is too high for those forums energy already. So when the price of natural fuels go up what do you think will happen to the price of electricity? The prices of oil is affected by all of the barrels available in the world market, since the USA isn't adding to the pool and OPEC slowing production even though the USA is begging them to produce more.(pathetic) I think your guess will be wrong unless the USA starts producing oil again. All I can say is Thanks Uncle Joe. "[removed]"
TB

Yah, could be. I really don’t know what its like in California as we haven’t been back since before Covid.

6 bucks a gallon sounds steep though. Although honestly i have no idea how to convert kwh to mpg. Here it costs about 8 bucks (canadian) to go 500 kilometres, or at least here in the BC interior. But even at our place in california it was about 15 bucks to go about 500 kilometres (300 ish miles???). That was before covid so who knows. If we charge at superchargers its about three times that. (Which is why most try to charge at home). Youll have to get the calculator out to convert it to mpg. I have never been good at that.

I read an article about those who wouldn’t choose electric again. But from what i read the vast majority were apartment or condo dwellers with no way to charge at home. I get that. I recommend to people who don't have access to home or work charging to think it thru.

As for ling charging times. Hard to say. Depends on the car, the charger etc. Older models are slower. We rarely spend more than 15 minutes at a supercharger on road trips Unless its lunch of course. Not a bid deal for us. We used to spend more time than that getting gas at costco. .

As far as power generation goes i couldn't say. Like much of Canada most of the power here is hydro. Depends where you live i suppose. Coal is a very small part of the power aggregate up here and will pretty much be gone within 8 years.

I’m not up on American politics so i’ll skip the rest.

Everybody has different needs and tastes. I would never go back to a slow clunky inconvenient stinky high maintenance gasser. But everybody has different tastes.

Cheers.

 

[Trucker Bob]

Yah, could be. I really don’t know what its like in California as we haven’t been back since before Covid.

6 bucks a gallon sounds steep though. Although honestly i have no idea how to convert kwh to mpg. Here it costs about 8 bucks (canadian) to go 500 kilometres, or at least here in the BC interior. But even at our place in california it was about 15 bucks to go about 500 kilometres (300 ish miles???). That was before covid so who knows. If we charge at superchargers its about three times that. (Which is why most try to charge at home). Youll have to get the calculator out to convert it to mpg. I have never been good at that.

I read an article about those who wouldn’t choose electric again. But from what i read the vast majority were apartment or condo dwellers with no way to charge at home. I get that. I recommend to people who don't have access to home or work charging to think it thru.

As for ling charging times. Hard to say. Depends on the car, the charger etc. Older models are slower. We rarely spend more than 15 minutes at a supercharger on road trips Unless its lunch of course. Not a bid deal for us. We used to spend more time than that getting gas at costco. .

As far as power generation goes i couldn't say. Like much of Canada most of the power here is hydro. Depends where you live i suppose. Coal is a very small part of the power aggregate up here and will pretty much be gone within 8 years.

I’m not up on American politics so i’ll skip the rest.

Everybody has different needs and tastes. I would never go back to a slow clunky inconvenient stinky high maintenance gasser. But everybody has different tastes.

Cheers.

What do you use for a RV? My wife works with a guy who drives his wife's tessla to work every few day to use the Taxpayer free charger at the school district office. Got to love the freeloaders. In the US we have a lot of free charging stations. ESP. in IL where a lot of the people think that someone else is paying for it not them.Fools. Do they charge for public chargers in the Great White North? CA is going to find out Hydro can't work when you water Golf course in a desert of NV because you won't dam your own mountain snow melt buy your water from CO.. How much do you pay up there for superchargers for a full charge? And what are you going to do when your Hydro dries up pardon the pun? And what do you think will happen to your price of Elec.when it does? Divide the price of a charge into the range that will give you a MPG I think I was not told there was going to be math today but i think that's how you could compare it to MPG. Sorry thoughts are out of order but you all know what I mean.
TB
Wait is that Coal is going to be gone in eight years or your hydro is dried up in eight years? Do you use NG? If the answer is coal you guys are Phucked as far as your price of Elec. goes.

 

[Voyageurs]

What do you use for a RV? My wife works with a guy who drives his wife's tessla to work every few day to use the Taxpayer free charger at the school district office. Got to love the freeloaders. In the US we have a lot of free charging stations. ESP. in IL where a lot of the people think that someone else is paying for it not them.Fools. Do they charge for public chargers in the Great White North? CA is going to find out Hydro can't work when you water Golf course in a desert of NV because you won't dam your own mountain snow melt buy your water from CO.. How much do you pay up there for superchargers for a full charge? And what are you going to do when your Hydro dries up pardon the pun? And what do you think will happen to your price of Elec.when it does? Divide the price of a charge into the range that will give you a MPG I think I was not told there was going to be math today but i think that's how you could compare it to MPG.( galion into mile traveled price of charge into miles traveled) Sorry thoughts are out of order but you all know what I mean.
TB
TB

Yah I know there is some kind of formula for mpg E.

We drove a diesel pusher until last spring. We are going to a small teardrop trailer so we can explore little places we have been passing by for the last 18 years. That and get on and off the ferry’s easier...and cheaper. . We’ll pull it with a medium sized electric CUV. Should be fun.

Free charging is rare around here. Except maybe for hotels that use it as a loss leader. We do that on road trips. I don’t really care if it’s free, just that the hotel has charging facilities. Pretty common around here.

I’m not sure hydro will come to an end up here anytime soon. Guess we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

On edit. Noticed your question re cost of a full charge. I’ll guess at around 22 bucks. I’ve never arrived empty so not sure. Most our road trip stops are 14 or 15 bucks.

 

[Trucker Bob]

Car Throttle Community

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not the way to road trip

 

[Voyageurs]

Car Throttle Community

www.carthrottle.com

not the way to road trip

Heh heh. I like the pic. But it wouldn’t work. Neither J1772 nor any of the DCFC formats allow for charging while moving.

Our road trips are no different now than when we drove our grand Cherokee. Everybody likes different things in a car. We like high performance premium grade sedans for reasonable money. To each his own.